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Get vaccinated - don’t listen to the anti-vaxxers.

Author: jimbasil (52321 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:27 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Again? Alas.
A month ago, Covid-19 cases had begun to rise in a few parts of New England and the Mountain West. But they were still falling in most northern parts of the U.S., as well as in Canada.

That pattern seemed to suggest that a nationwide cold-weather Covid surge was unlikely anytime soon. The prediction models collected by the C.D.C. agreed: They projected continuing declines in U.S. Covid cases during November.

Instead, cases have surged about 30 percent this month.


Chart shows 7-day daily average.Source: New York Times database
It is a maddening development. Almost two years after Covid began spreading, it is still here, again creating anxiety as Americans prepare to gather for the holidays. Today’s newsletter will try to help you make sense of the pre-Thanksgiving surge.

The mystery of Covid
The seemingly obvious explanation for the recent rise in cases is the weather. As temperatures have dropped, more activities have moved indoors, where the Covid virus tends to spread. And the weather surely plays some role in the surge.

But I mentioned Canada above — along with the cold-weather parts of the U.S. where caseloads were not rising a month ago — for a reason. If the weather were really the dominant cause, the recent Covid patterns would look different. They would more closely match temperature patterns.

As unsatisfying as this is, the full explanation for the surge remains unclear. There is still much more that scientists do not know about how this virus spreads than they do know, as Michael Osterholm, a University of Minnesota epidemiologist, has been saying for months.

Media coverage and expert commentary too often fails to acknowledge this point. We offer tidy explanations for the virus’s ups and downs — like weather, school calendars, mask habits, even sporting events — when reality is messier. (Here are some detailed examples.)

The bad news about the virus’s unpredictability is that surges can sneak up on us: The lack of a Covid increase across most of northern North America a month ago was not as reassuring as it may have seemed.

The good news is that the virus can also surprise in pleasant ways. This winter, cases are not guaranteed to keep rising. Keep in mind that they peaked in early January last winter, before plummeting about 75 percent by late February. In coming weeks, I’d encourage you to ignore most Covid prognostications. Nobody knows what will happen next.

In the meantime, how should you think about the rising number of cases?

Zero point zero
For most people, the vaccines remain remarkably effective at turning Covid into a manageable illness that’s less dangerous than some everyday activities.

The main dividing line is age. In Minnesota, which publishes detailed Covid data, the death rate for fully vaccinated people under 50 during the Delta surge this year was 0.0 per 100,000 — meaning, so few people died that the rate rounds to zero.

Washington State is another place that publishes statistics by age and vaccination status. In its most recent report, Washington did not even include a death rate for fully vaccinated residents under 65. It was too low to be meaningful.

Hospitalization rates are also very low for vaccinated people under 65. In Minnesota during the Delta surge, the average weekly hospitalization rate for vaccinated residents between 18 and 49 was about 1 per 100,000.


Source: Minnesota Department of Health
To put that in perspective, I looked up data for some other medical problems. During a typical week in the U.S., nearly 3 people per 100,000 visit an emergency room because of a bicycle crash. The rate for vehicle crashes is about 20 per 100,000.

Covid is the threat on many of our minds. But for most people under 65, the virus may present less risk than a car trip to visit relatives this week. “The vaccination, I think, changes everything,” Dustin Johnston, 40, a photographer in Michigan who plans to gather with family, told The Times.

In need of protection
The situation is more frightening for older people, especially those in their 80s and 90s. For the oldest age groups, Covid presents a real risk even after vaccination. It appears to be more dangerous than a typical flu and much more dangerous than time spent riding in a vehicle, based on C.D.C. data.

As a result, older Americans need protection during a surge. (The same is also true of a small percentage of younger people with specific vulnerabilities to Covid, like organ-transplant recipients.) The most effective way to protect vulnerable people is through vaccination — not only of them but also of others who might infect them.

Children 5 and older, who are now eligible for vaccines, are an example. Covid remains overwhelmingly mild for them. But vaccinated children are less likely to infect other people than unvaccinated children, and a mild Covid case in a child can turn into a deadly case for an elderly grandparent.


Link: https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20211123&instance_id=46083&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN®i_id=143141481&segment_id=75125&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F7f367ae1-ef71-5b1c-8c72-2c9d98d060a4&us

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

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Thread Level: 2

Now, it's the pandemic of unboostered, stupid. Listen to your doctor Dr Fauci

Author: Eli (9476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:29 am on Nov 23, 2021
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BTW, the article i not too bad. The author admits "Covid is the threat on many of our minds. But for most people under 65, the virus may present less risk than a car trip to visit relatives this week".

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Why can’t you just shut up about this, CJ? The more people like you, Coror

Author: TampaIrish (11369 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:02 am on Nov 23, 2021
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And Chris yell about it, the more people are going to continue to say fuck you. You’re vaxxed, good for you. The “science” says you are protected, right? Leave people alone and live your life. Just don’t expect everyone to live the same terrified life you live.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 3

So you were going to clean the garage, but won’t now that your parents asked you?

Author: conorlarkin (20782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:50 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Translation:

Tampa has finally figured out that it is prudent to get vaccinated, but won’t because he doesn’t want to admit that he’s been foolhardy.

*****

Hey everyone, we are all here to support Tampa! Let’s give Tampa a hearty round of applause, as he makes an appointment to get the jab, …. a decision that Tampa reached ALL BY HIMSELF!


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

Now you think you’re my parents? Conor, live your life how you wish, I will live mine.

Author: TampaIrish (11369 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:55 am on Nov 23, 2021
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I’m not sure what is so hard to understand this for you guys to understand this. You’re vaccinated so you are protected. But do me a favor, it’s sunny down here today. Please put some sunscreen on so mince works.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 5

Well said. Never see this before, blaming a product's failure on people who don't use it.

Author: Eli (9476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Get vaccinated. Don’t listen to this admin’s lies.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58894 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:18 am on Nov 23, 2021
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The fact that Fauci, et all have lied repeatedly is not mutually exclusive of the fact that the vaccine works to protect your life.

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Let's get right to it...name ONE LIE that Fauci has told...then when we're done with that we'll go

Author: TyroneIrish (19749 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:54 pm on Nov 23, 2021
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to your next false accusation...until it becomes clear to all who's the "Liar" here...bring it on.

Thread Level: 3

Baron, since 1/1/2021 the vaccine hasn't changed anything. We had more covid deaths 2021 than 2020

Author: Eli (9476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:38 am on Nov 23, 2021
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more hospitalizations in 2021 than in 2020, and much more case in 2021 than in 2020. The only thing I am afraid of is this vaccination campaign actually perhaps make the vulnerable unvaxxed even more vulnerable. But it is a long story to talk about.

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Those noncomptomised dying from it are mostly unvaxed.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58894 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:54 pm on Nov 23, 2021
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You’re trying to be serious, yes?

Author: jimbasil (52321 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:50 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 5

To Baron? of course. To you? depends.

Author: Eli (9476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:17 am on Nov 23, 2021
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But do listen to your FOX TV - The truth tellers.

Author: jimbasil (52321 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:49 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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But it's not a vaccine in the normal sense. It doesn't really prevent you from getting it, perhaps

Author: Cole (16136 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 8:26 am on Nov 23, 2021
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just decreases the severe symptoms, and certainly doesn't prevent you from spreading it. Plus it has the worst unintended outcomes than any other vaccine in history. There's a reason the CDC changed the definition of vaccine on its website.

I support any American's right not to get it, and I certainly won't be getting the booster until I fully understand the increase in myocarditis and pericarditis that the Feds and drug companies are studying right now.

Plus, did you see the government's FOIA response when someone asked to see the Pfizer vaccine test results on which the FDA based its approval of the vaccine? The government said that it could not produce the results until 2172. Seriously.

C'mon, enough is enough.


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Of course you support those who are anti-vaxxers.

Author: jimbasil (52321 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:51 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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"2172" ?!?! Geez, I'll be Biden's age by then...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33393 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:49 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Thread Level: 4

Same horse shit, anti-science thinking cost Killshot his life.

Author: Chris94 (36473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:35 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Spreading bullshit disinformation dishonors his life.

Thread Level: 5

Tobacco cost his life, according to his son. Smokers certainly are in risky group. Don't be mean.

Author: Eli (9476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:49 am on Nov 23, 2021
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I was unaware that KS smoked…

Author: Domer From Hell (15844 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Nov 23, 2021
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but to say tobacco is the main reason he passed is being dishonest. If he smoked, he smoked for years all the while being active in cycling and handball. It’s a fact that he contracted Covid-19 and it’s a fact that is what ultimately killed him.

I had a lot of respect for KS, but he was wrong on many levels when it comes to Covid. May God rest his soul.


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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 6

Chris knows more than his son, Eli. I’m sure KS’s story was shared by Chris

Author: TampaIrish (11369 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:05 am on Nov 23, 2021
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More than once this past week. I’m sure the dramatic effect laid on when saying he “was unvaccinated” was something to be seen. He has a flair for the drama.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 5

Which one of these statements is incorrect? 1. The Feds said they'll produce FOIA data by 2172.

Author: Cole (16136 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 8:58 am on Nov 23, 2021
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2. They're studying post-vaccine increases in pericarditis and myocarditis.
3. The CDC changed the definition of vaccine.

I'll wait.


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NYSlimes.

Author: Cole (16136 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 8:06 am on Nov 23, 2021
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It is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Author: conorlarkin (20782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:53 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Great article, jb.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 3

Natural immunity yo. Unvaxxed hug outs are the way to go.

Author: Frank L (64059 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:10 am on Nov 23, 2021
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Thread Level: 4

Natural Immunity which is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better

Author: StayGolden (177 Posts - Joined: Apr 17, 2017)

Posted at 12:05 pm on Nov 23, 2021
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