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I wonder when we will start doing that to domestic criminals. Seems weird that we would pay non-citizens to violate the law but not pay citizens to violate the law.

ACLU is representing those hundreds of families...if this goes to court, I've heard at least one observer say that the cost to the American taxpayer could far exceed the rumored $450K settlement number that has been bandied about...and that if this were treated as a pure 'business decision' there would be little argument about the wisdom of making a settlement.

This is just one more "Mess" that must be cleaned up after "Pig-Pen" left the building.

ACLU is an advocate. The court is not forcing these payments, nor would it, because it is not the law. The administration is taking its lawyer hat off to make these payments to settle the case. Once again we see that you mean the opposite of what you say.

With your logic, I should file nuisance suits against the United States government, and then offer to settle for below the cost of the litigation, and the US government should always pay me. Yeah, that makes sense. But, we all know you wouldn't say that if, say, gun owners were suing the United States for enforcing its gun laws against them. I assume you would agree that the government shouldn't pay settlements to gun owners in such cases. Say that I am wrong on this point; I dare you.

Insane.

For a professional person, you are, to say the least, "unique".

Check out the link...and any person with an ounce of empathy and human decency would know that Trump's "Zero Tolerance" policy was 'red meat' for a tort claim on the part of those immigrant families.

Your continued support of that despicable man speaks volumes about your ethics and morals.


Link: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/litigation/separated-family-members-seek-monetary-damages-united-states

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whole mess end up in court?...if so, could multiple verdicts end up costing U.S. taxpayers way more than the $450K figure that's been floated?

IMO, even if this doesn't go to court, a HUGE injustice has been inflicted on those families and they deserve some form of restitution...please don't invoke the "No Harm, No Foul" argument...Note that a Quinnipiac Poll found 66% of ALL Americans opposed Trump's "Zero Tolerance" policy that resulted in this human rights obscenity...so take a guess at what would happen in a civil trial.

I get why you want to stay on this case. If we apply your logic to all cases, you are exposed as a partisan. You don't want the rule of law. You want the rule of you and your team. You want autocratic rule...whatever your side says today is the rule...under you, there is no rule of law that applies to all cases consistently. You think equal application of the law is shuffling...because if we apply your logic on this case consistently, you will get results you don't want in others. Well done exposing yourself. You are a fraud.

On your second point: I get that you think the law imposes an injustice. Why don't you support changing the law, then? Why encourage a president to not enforce the law, and even encourage the violation of the law? When Trump does that, as your side alleged, you want impeachment. But in this case you don't want impeachment. Another way you demonstrate that you don't desire equal application of the law. You don't want a nation of laws, you prefer a nation of men. In other words, you dislike the American Republic, with its system of checks and balances. You are exposed as anti-American.

but I've included the attached court finding that supports the ability of the separated families to sue the U.S. government...so I'm asking you, if this goes to trial, is it possible that numerous claims could be awarded that would exceed the oft-discussed settlement payment of $450K?

Unless you have justification for saying this could never end in court, then I see it as clear evidence that Trump and his administration "Screwed Up Royally", thus leaving the Biden administration to clean up the mess and make things right...everything else you're talking about is irrelevant and a distraction...but then that's what Frank has been able to learn about "How You Roll"...and I agree.


Link: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/litigation_documents/separated_family_members_seek_monetary_damages_from_united_states_order_denying_governments_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

before posting the link.

of immigrant families eventually winning some sort of remedy?...btw, Stark, you can answer as well...simple question, I'd assume.

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See his comments on genetics from yesterday. Oi vey.

was improperly described...just an accusation...would you let that slide in any of your legal activities? ;-).

As for this topic, I'm relying on you legal beagles...is there a tort case here that could result in mega-million dollar judgements?...and if so, would it be wise to seek a settlement that reduced the impact on the American taxpayer?...further, if there is a case to be had, then it follows that the Trump administration is at fault for creating the basis for the tort claim...am I right?

This has nothing to do with Trump. and only has to do with enforcement of the law, under both Trump and Obama and others, which you do not support. So, don't pull the "put your lawyer hat on" schtick when you really want everyone to take their lawyer hats off.

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