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Fox News calls Michelle Obama "Obama's Baby Mama?"

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:29 am on Jun 12, 2008
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So I guess we are just going with out and out racism now? No longer picking at policies or principles, just racism?
OK, fine.


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I was pro-tron before it was cool

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Mr Whitey calls racism?

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:37 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Where's the link KC? If you're going to post something so inflammatory, please provide proof or a link. JEEZ!

We're all born bald baby!
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Consider the source

Author: Charlie Jrs Headset (4330 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:54 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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We're talking about Fox News here.

#KELLYOUT
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Obama should campaign on this phrase: "My mama was a liberal godless reclusive socialist".

Author: windybill (3826 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:34 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Great childhood memories and guidance. I guess that is why after age 12 and his muslim experience B Obama did not display any affinity to going to church until he became a politician. God is not one of Obama's values. How can anyone believe him?

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When people like you lie through your teeth about Obama's life, it's pretty damn easy to believe him

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Great childhood memories and guidance.

Obama's mother had her own issues, no doubt. But I'm guessing his Kansas-born grandma and grandpa who raised Obama through childhood might take issue with your summary judgement on his home life.

I guess that is why after age 12 and his muslim experience B Obama did not display any affinity to going to church until he became a politician.

Which "Muslim experience" would that be? His Muslim father who abandoned him at age 1? The Muslim stepfather who practiced a brand of ecumenical Islam and enrolled Obama in the Franciscus Assisi Primary Catholic School? And you do realize Obama first ran for political office eights years after he was baptized, right?


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Don't make it sound like Obama was raised on a farm in Kansas. Obama was registered as a muslim

Author: windybill (3826 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:38 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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in Indonesia at that Catholic school school. which he attended for about 2 years up to about 9 years old, That exempted him from Catholic education, training and the sacraments. Remember his mother is an atheist. Then his mother's work took him into the country side, where he attended a school you Liberals like to color as "a public school, where he was not raised as a muslim, being that it is not a muslim school". How ignorant. Have you been to Indonesia? I have. I worked in Indonesia with Levi Strauss and spent time in the Java country side. No one who has been there will say anyone living in the country side, especially someone receiving instruction from a muslim teacher will not be trained as a muslim. I am NOT saying that Obama is a muslim, but you can't avoid feeling he has sympathies for muslims. How much? No one knows. That's why he is a bad bet. No one knows enough about him. Trust. That is the issue here. I don't trust the guy. And this is a legitimate political issue. Obama's Jr high and high school in Hawaii is an elite secular school. No religious instruction in Hawaii. This is another void in his life. His Indonesia experience is minor compared to his position on the issues why he would make a bad president.

I'd like to see your link to Obama's baptism and the circumstances surrounding it. Was this at Obama's hate church?

Why are you so willing to give muslim/atheist background a pass, but are so willing to jump on someone's mormon background? At least morons believe in a peaceful god, and most are hard working Americans. They aren't trying to kill us. For anything a particular mormon has done to you, there were Catholic popes who did far worse.


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Actually, Catholic popes have done nothing to me

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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If you want to find fault in what Catholic popes did hundreds of years ago, then I feel okay blaming today's Mormons for Brigham Young ordering the Meadow Mountains Massacre in 1857 and the Church of Latter-Day Saints being a bigoted shit-brained institution well into the late 1970s.

Obama was educated in the Catholic tradition in Indonesia. This is a fact. He wasn't exempt from anything.


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Then why was Obama regestered at that school as a muslim?

Author: windybill (3826 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 am on Jun 13, 2008
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Puhlease

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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She was a communist Windy - let's get it right.

If you support Obama you are a racist.
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Source - Context ??? Just another Lib trying to diss the FOX network with over the top PC crap...

Author: ucandoit (2647 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 am on Jun 12, 2008
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... take the broomstick out of your a$$

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Here let me help you on this.

Author: jimbasil (41048 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:24 am on Jun 12, 2008
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FOX News = conditioning for the stupid!

It appears that CNN, MSCBC, USA Today and the like are more interested in Fright news and are doing the dummy down fear thing just like FOX!


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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Since Fox News is #1, I guess there are a lot of dummies in the USA...

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:03 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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I'm sure you agree, Mr. Elitist. I expect more from you Jimmy.

We're all born bald baby!
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I have a taste for junk food too, but I don't exist on it and I don't extol at the top of my lungs

Author: jimbasil (41048 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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it's picayune intrinsic worth as though it were whole Gospel.

It is, Conditioning TV, styled to obfuscate, that you will see through a glass darkly and follow.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Well, yeah

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:51 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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In my experience, commercial relevance is usually in inverse proportion to intellectual relevance. With few exceptions, the best-selling novelists are among the worst writers. What's the most popular movie ever? Titanic. What song has grossed the most revenue for Aerosmith? "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing." And what news station will never, ever find itself on the shortlist of any journalism prizes? Fox News.

Fox News caters to the lowest common denominator. Their hosts are right-wing polemics that hide behind a total bullshit veil of "fairness" that makes we want to puke. They're not fair. They're not intelligent. They know their audience, and they know the important thing is not to be right or wrong, but to just be the loudest person in the room.


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"Fox News caters to the lowest common denominator."

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:14 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Do you really want a response to such a pompous, elitist, bullshit, statement as that? Well, here it goes. The awards that Fox News earns are from independent evaluation firms that give awards for superior journalism. In your opinion, I guess each of those firms are worthless, but if MSNBC were given an award from the same firm, that'd be ok. I enjoy Fox News, so in your eyes, I'm considered the lowest common denominator?

"Their hosts are right-wing polemics that hide behind a total bullshit veil of "fairness" that makes we want to puke." Did you know Rupert Murdoch is supporting Obama for President? Is Alan Colmes a "right-wing polemic?"

What is your definition of intelligence? You don't think O'Reilly is intelligent? How about Hannity or Hume? Your statements are unintelligent at best!


We're all born bald baby!
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O' Reilly is a certifiable moron

Author: MAS (15012 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:29 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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From desecrating the memory of the American troops at Malmedy on two occasions, to his phone sex, to his confrontations with a just-doing-his-job Obama bodyguard, to threatening to have Fox News hunt down a dimwit caller to his dimwit radio show, to implying the victim of child molestation was somehow complicit in his own victimization, to not understanding that nuclear arms fall under the umbrella of "WMD's", to continually giving his left-wing competitor the ammunition to grow the lib's ratings by 100%, O"Reilly isn't even up to the standard of walk-on on this board. He might actually be stupider than Hannity, if that's possible. At least Hannity isn't a dick.

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That's your opinion of course....

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:52 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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He's also a big proponent of Megan's Law, he's held liberal judges accountable for lenient sentences, holds charitable organizations accountable in terms of spending donation money, Initiated a boycott France campaign over the Iraq controversy at the UN, Put the spot light on Ward Churchill and eventually lead to his dismissal, Put the spot light on Sami Al-Arian, the Florida Professor who is raising money to support terrorist organization,
Publicized the connection between George Soros and the moveon.org left wing website and other 527 political groups.
Started a Culture Warrior campaign against the Secular Progressive movement, Brought the ACLU to the attention of the public in their war against Christmas and the boy scouts of America

O'Reilly's phone sex case was nothing but an attempt at extortion. The lady wanted $60 million in hush money. Clue to the clueless, that is pretty much an indication of extortion.

O'Reilly had the Malmedy thing backwards. An honest mistake unless you can prove otherwise.

Do you honestly think O'Reilly doesn't know nukes fall under the umbrella of WMDs? If you do, you're an idiot.

Claiming O'Reilly is stupid is stupid itself. You need an IQ check with that statement. It's fine if you don't like or agree with the guy, but calling him a "walk on" or "stupid" is pure idiocy.


We're all born bald baby!
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"O'Reilly had the Malmedy thing backwards. An honest mistake unless you can prove otherwise."

Author: MAS (15012 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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He did it twice...on separate occasions...after being informed of his mistake after the first time he said it. He's another chicken hawk ppp'er, btw.

"O'Reilly's phone sex case was nothing but an attempt at extortion. The lady wanted $60 million in hush money. Clue to the clueless, that is pretty much an indication of extortion."

That's irrelevant. Of course the broad was an extortionist. The moron is married with kids and he's leaving sex messages for some random chick on his staff. He's a loser as well.

"Do you honestly think O'Reilly doesn't know nukes fall under the umbrella of WMDs? If you do, you're an idiot."

He repeated it twice, so yes, he didn't know. I'm assuming he thought of WMD's as chemical weapons or something along those lines. I'll let you speculate further as to the contents of Bill's brain.

"Brought the ACLU to the attention of the public in their war against Christmas and the boy scouts of America"

Complete and utter bulls*t. Rush was talking about the Boy Scouts issue to millions of listeners a decade ago. And the"War on Christmas" was the biggest pile of sh*t coughed up by Fox yet. And that's saying something for them.

"Claiming O'Reilly is stupid is stupid itself. You need an IQ check with that statement. It's fine if you don't like or agree with the guy, but calling him a "walk on" or "stupid" is pure idiocy."

That's right, because "that's my opinion, of course." As opposed to your...well..opinion. I'll stay out on a limb contending a married man having phone sex with his unattractive subordinate, knowingly besmirching the names of American troops, blaming a victim of child molestation (check out the reactions of child advocacy groups after that one), unaware that nukes qualify as WMD's, and believing that employees of retailers like Target were forbidden to say "Merry Christmas" to customers is a certifiable f*cking idiot. Yes I will. Do you realize how bad he's gotten when I have to ask myself who I hate more, him or that smarmy ass Franken?


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That's your...um..errr....nonsensical.....um...idiotic....ahem...opinion

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:45 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Post some links in support of your bullshit. Better yet, check YouTube to see if there are any videos in support of your crap. You don't like O'Reilly, yet you have the gall to post something in support of Rush "The Drug Addict" Limbaugh? You have no credibility.

We're all born bald baby!
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Just for you

Author: MAS (15012 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:08 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Bless you. Interestingly, both times Billy talks about Malmedy, Gen. Clark was his guest. Here's the transcript (before Fox "edited it") from 2005 with Bill O slandering the troops the first time:

Gen. Wesley Clark: Because in the United States Army that I served in proudly for 34 years, we did not beat up and torture prisoners. Just a second, Bill ---

Bill O'Reilly: Yeah, but with all due respect, there were atrocities in Vietnam, there were atrocities in World War Two --

Clark: Yes, and they were found, and they were punished.

O'Reilly: -- in World War One, in the Civil War, and the Revolutionary War.

Clark: They were not condoned by the chain of command.

O'Reilly: Yes they were!

Clark: No they weren't.

O'Reilly: Lt. Calley, and Medina in Vietnam.

Clark: They were not condoned by the chain of command, those guys were court-martialed.

O'Reilly: You know -- listen, with all due respect --

Clark: And let me explain something. You go all the way up the chain of command --

O'Reilly: General! You need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War Two, and the 82nd Airborne who did it!
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Now, per your request, here is the transcript and link below with video from 2006, after Bill had been informed of his error, again interviewing Gen. Clark, at it again spouting untruths about US troops just to avoid admitting he was wrong:

Bill O'Reilly: Now for the top story tonight, another view of this. Joining us from Washington, Fox News military analyst General Wesley Clark.

General, if you were on active duty over in Iraq and you heard Congressman Murtha, you know, 'don't stick up for the military Charlie', you know and, and really bomb throwing, agitating in my opinion, what would you think about that?

General Wesley Clark: Well, I don't think I'd interpret it that way, not quite like you put it

Bill. I think that what Congressman Murtha's doing is a legitimate function of the Legislative Branch. He's not part of the Executive Branch of government, and he's getting fed information from the inside. He obviously has had a lot of people who have talked to him about this. He's not making this up, and that's the way he sees it, and he wants to get the facts out.

Look, when these things start to happen, and all of my sources in and around the Pentagon indicate that in fact, something like this instant did happen. It was murder. People were covered up. Now, I haven't seen the investigation, but people who have, are familiar with the facts are reporting these things. And when it happens like that, it's an indicator that you're on the edge of feasibility of your policy. It's an indicator that the, the stress on the units is such that standards of discipline and, and, and performance are, are breaking down at the margin.

Bill O'Reilly: See, I disagree. I disagree.

General Wesley Clark: And it's a real warning for us.

Bill O'Reilly: I disagree. In Iwo Jima, in the Battle of the Bulge, Malmedy, all these things, and you're a military historian. You know these happened. It happened in every war. It's happened in every army, and you're right, it's a breakdown caused by stress, and a breakdown has to be dealt with by the military extremely quickly, effectively.

General Wesley Clark: Yes.

Bill O'Reilly: Murderers, if, if they're deemed guilty in a, in a military court of justice have to be punished. But to draw a wider implication, General, when 95%, and I think you'd agree with that figure, of American forces overseas under tremendous stress are performing heroically every day, to draw a wider implication at this juncture brutally unfair, both to our forces and to our country. What say you?

General Wesley Clark: I say that, first of all, you'll have to show me and prove to me that there were ever any American soldiers in Belgium and Normandy or in Iwo Jima who murdered civilians. Secondly, I think you're too low when you say 95% of the forces are performing effectively. I'd say 99.5% of the forces are performing effectively, maybe higher. But when you have incidents like this, and you have chains of command under enormous stress, that is an indicator that things aren't going right. You've got to be sensitive to those indicators. You've got to fix the problem, otherwise it's going to get worse.

Bill O'Reilly: Okay. Listen, nobody-

General Wesley Clark: This is a long-term problem.

Bill O'Reilly: Nobody is disagreeing with that.

General Wesley Clark: Well then, that's my position.

Bill O'Reilly: But I, in, in Mal-, in, in Malmedy, as you know, US forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air, and they were unarmed, and they shot them down. You know that. That's on the record, been documented. In Iwo Jima, the same thing occurred. Japanese attempted to surrender, and they were burned in their caves.
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Nice addressing of Bill's sex talk while being married, btw. A true moral example.

And where exactly did I "support" Rush? I simply stated that Rush highlighted the ACLU vs. the Scouts issue to millions of people years before Bill. The only person writing bullshit here is you with claims you can't back up.


Link: http://securingamerica.com/node/1047

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The Malmedy massacre was originally committed by the SS against allied POW's....

Author: Domer From Hell (11587 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:50 am on Jun 13, 2008
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What happened afterward was justice and I would have done the same. Shortly after Malmedy, the SS troops that tried to surrender were shot by American troops. I think that's what O'Reilly was eluding to. The reason I have no problem with it is because they were out of ammo. Any soldier that surrenders with no ammo is eligible for target practice IMO. This was known as the Chenogne Massacre.

Your dislike of O'Reilly has clouded your judgment regarding the sexual harassment case against him. It was never proven. Did it happen? I have no idea. You don't know and neither do I.

You weren't supporting Rush Limbaugh. I just threw that one in there because you were being a dick.


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We're all born bald baby!
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A) I'm not talking about you; B) I like Hume; C) Hannity and O'Reilly are loudmouth idiots

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:48 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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As for Fox News' string of "independent" awards, please name them. The Peabody Award is the oldest electronic media award in the country, having been given by UGA’s Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication since 1941. Number of wins by Fox News, ever? Zero.

I read the Wall Street Journal and The Economist because they're good. I wipe my ass with the Washington Times because its writers are illiterate. P.J. O'Rourke? LOVE him! My point being I will readily acknowledge solid conservative journalism. Fox News is great if I want some right-wing, flag-waving smoke blown up my ass, and that's about it. Besides Hume, Fox News' broadcasts are not insightful, not compelling, and for God's sake NEVER fair-minded.


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Perhaps your name should be "PCIrishfan".

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22823 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:51 am on Jun 12, 2008
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True, and as soon as Fox refers to Cindy McCain as "Trophy Wife" I'll call it even

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 am on Jun 12, 2008
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I was pro-tron before it was cool
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They could call Obama's wife Whitey Hater or let her speech do the talking

Author: Slacker (7011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:07 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Disgusting, I tell ya.

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:44 am on Jun 12, 2008
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A better term would've been angry, bitter, radical Black Panther bitch.

But "baby mama" offends me.


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That's about right. but you left out the word

Author: windybill (3826 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:47 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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racist. She hates Whitey.

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HA! Classic.

Author: IrishinMass (554 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Wow. You've reached an all time low.

Author: conorlarkin (13494 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:53 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Honestly, I can usually dismiss your insane spin as the standard, brain-washed bullshit that racist Obama opponents have been puking up, but this is the first time you've legitimately disgusted me.

Pretty sick shit.


They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
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Awwww......because I was descriptive of the angry, racist, hateful woman?

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Let me know if you have a better way to describe her.

And by "better," I of course mean "more accurate."

"The wife of empty suit I have a blind love for" will not suffice.


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I thought you would recognize your own post:

Author: conorlarkin (13494 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:17 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Link: http://www.uhnd.com/bb/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=42162

They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
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While this retro-actively makes your post very funny......

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:24 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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If you had any idea how much drinking I've done in the last two weeks, you'd know there's no way I'd recall that one.

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Wait 'til you're my age .....

Author: conorlarkin (13494 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:18 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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..... and try to remember tiny tiny details like Anniversary and Wife's Birthday dates.

My only advice: When she attacks with "Oh .... but I betcha you know all the dates of Notre Dame's football games this season .....", just look at her with a blank stare, and reply: "Does Notre Dame have a football team?"


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They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
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And you base this all on....one sentence?

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:39 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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One sentence that, by the way, is always taken out of context?

Or do you, like windy, think there is a tape out there where she says "whitey" (gasp!)? Do you think that the Clintons were just too respectful to get it out there, or maybe - just maybe - it doesn't exist?

I might just suggest that she is getting a bad rap here - and you are a victim of the make-the-Obamas-seem-like-Farakhan smear campaign.

I might just suggest that she is neither hateful nor racist - and no amount of copied material from right-wing blogs can change that opinion.

I'll base my view on what I hear her say, unlike, evidently, a lot of people on the right.


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Much like Jerry Maguire, she just never should've put it out there.

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:42 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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It's right up there with "God damn America!" and "Yes we can!" in my favorite soundbites thus far in the election.

Mind you, I don't take this all as personally as some of the crazies seem to be on both sides.......


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Beautiful

Author: Slacker (7011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:47 am on Jun 12, 2008
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There's your mistake - Fox News. It is to news what the NBA is to professional "sports"

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:24 am on Jun 12, 2008
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
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I call my wife my baby's mama all the time. Who exactly does that make me racist towards?

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:24 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Baby's mamas?

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, your baby?

Author: FLIrishK9 (4638 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:49 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Sleep safely in your beds because men stand ready in the night to visit those who would do you harm.
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White dudes crying racist...........one of the finer aspects of the UHND open forum

Author: Slacker (7011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:37 am on Jun 12, 2008
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I hate it when white dudes concern themselves with stuff like racism.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:53 am on Jun 12, 2008
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"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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In fairness to KC, he's a Chiefs fan so you have to assume he has some form of mental retardation.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:51 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
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Why do you think he supports Barack Osama bin Hussein so much?

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 am on Jun 12, 2008
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It's because he looks just like Herman Edwards, therefore he garners in the vote from the greater Olathe area with a landslide victory.

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KCMO jackass, not Olathe

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:45 am on Jun 12, 2008
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And when I lived in Joco it was Overland Park. Olathe is full of crazy's.

I was pro-tron before it was cool
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I quote Scream 2 -

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 am on Jun 12, 2008
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"FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKKKK YYYOOOOUUUUUU..."
On a serious note, why does the NFL schedule the Raiders and Broncos as the first 2 home games on our schedule this year? Those games should be in November when it's freezing, not September when I'm dealing with ass sweat.


I was pro-tron before it was cool
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It was Herm's call.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:42 am on Jun 12, 2008
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He wanted to be out of the playoff picture before November so he could campaign for Michelle Obama's baby daddy.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
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Oh, see, now that makes sense..

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:44 am on Jun 12, 2008
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On a related note - my wife's close friend is Herm's nanny for his 3 kids. She (the friend) has a big family who have gotten to meet Herm on occasion. She has a 5 year old niece named Hattie. Hattie was with her parents and the news was on about the election. Her dad, joking around said "Hattie, who are you going to vote for." She looked at him, pointed to the tv (Obama was on) and said "Daddy, Coach Herm of course."
The friend told Herm the story, he thought it was very funny.
Also did you know that Herm was Catholic? He goes to my sister's parish.


I was pro-tron before it was cool
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You're acting like a Douchebag

Author: Slacker (7011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:12 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Early nominee for stupid post of the day

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Break this down for me

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:45 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Where does "Obama's Baby Mama" have any racial suggestion in it? I will do my best.

Obama - Barack Obama, a person

Baby - In this context it means Obama's child/baby.

Mama - In this context it means the mother of Obama's baby.

So from, "Obama's baby mama" I come up with the Mother of Obama's child. It may of not been professional, but I don't see where race comes into this.


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You're going to tell me that you see absolutely no racial overtones?

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:01 am on Jun 12, 2008
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You're really that blind to it? Seriously? None at all?

I was pro-tron before it was cool
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Bingo. And NDNeil only got to see the "edited" version of the clip......

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:14 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Like you, I saw the original, where they called her a blue-gummed vine-swinger.

My vote is going to President Palmer, as it should be.


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Yes I guess you are right, it is completely racist

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Dude, not everything is black and white. "Baby Mama" has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the mother of someone's child, usually meant towards one that is unmarried. If you are suggesting that more blacks have babies out of wedlock, thus meaning the term "baby mama" is intented towards them, then aren't you being racist?


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The title of the movie is supposed to be funny BECAUSE it refers to a racial stereotype.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:43 am on Jun 12, 2008
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The set-up in the movie is a well-to-do white woman's black doorman telling her: "If another woman is having your child, and you are paying her bills. She's your 'baby mama.' Just ask any black man."

Oh, the hilarity.

"Baby Mama" is a racial stereotype. Why would anyone pretend otherwise? Someone in the control room at Fox screwed up. Crossed the line. Whatever. Not the end of the world. But the mental gymnastics to justify it are unbelievable.

What's next? Call Obama a "homo" on the news. And then say it was short for homosapien?


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"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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So can I no longer use watermelon as a way to describe a watermelon?

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Jun 12, 2008
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All in all, watermelon is a racial sterotype.

So is this wrong. "I really want to suck on that watermelon."
And this is right. "I really want to suck on that giant green ball that is pink in the middle."

Explain to me where you get horrible black people out of "Baby Mama" and not mother of someone's child. Was it professional, no, but racist, come one.


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What? Watermelon is a racial stereotype?

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Watermelon is a delicious treat that I have enjoyed since I was a kid. Don't know that I could survive the 4th of July without it. Watermelon is not a "racial stereotype."

Was the idea of all black people loving watermelon a stereotype? Yeah. Haven't heard that one in over twenty years. But, yeah. Fried chicken too. And I do think a statement like "Obama must love watermelon and fried chicken" would carry some racial overtones.

Now if you are telling me that "Baby Mama" is a term that was widely used outside of the scope of the racial stereotype, you would have a point. That would make it like watermelon. Not, in and of itself, a stereotype. But easily used as one, depending on the context.

I never heard the term "Baby Mama" used by anyone prior to it becoming a racial stereotype. I've never heard anyone use the term other than in reference to the racial stereotype. "Baby Mama" was not some term we all grew up using that has now been perverted into a racial stereotype. It is a racial stereotype that is now finding broader application in society. In other words, it isn't a watermelon.

Now, putting that aside: Do you honestly believe that someone at Fox innocently put up "Baby Mama?" Do you really think that term was used simply because she is the mother of Obama's children?


"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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You are missing it I guess

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:31 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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"Watermelon is a delicious treat that I have enjoyed since I was a kid."

"Baby Mama is the mother of someones child."

Barack Obama must like watermelon is a stereotype because it makes the assumption that because he is black he likes watermelon. Describing the mother of Barack Obama's children by calling her his "Baby Mama" is simply a fact. Unprofessional, no doubt. Racist, it just isn't.

Also, when did "Baby Mama" exactly become a racial stereotype? I missed that memo. I've heard it in a rap song, sung by yes, blacks. Sorry African Americans. Are they racist? Or were they just describing the mother of their child. I'm just trying to clear things up.

Do you realize your white condensation is hurting the blacks progress more then it is helping?

As for the fox deal, I have no idea why it was put up. Intern trying to be funny? Someone trying to disrespect Obama's wife? But it wasn't the Grand Dragon trying to be racist.


Link: Baby Mama

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No. You either don't get it. Or you are hiding from it.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:09 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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"Baby Mama" is the mother of someone's child.

Are you kidding me?

"Baby Mama" is a slang term. Note that we aren't discussing the phrase "mother of his children," or even "his baby's mama." It's "BABY MAMA." When did that slang term come to prominence? I don't know exactly when. But it did become a prominent slang term, with definite racial overtones.

It's funny that you trotted out the movie "Baby Mama" earlier. That makes my point better than anything. The movie was titled "Baby Mama" to play off of the fact that "Baby Mama" is a racial slang term. Someone thought there was humor in the idea of a well-to-do white woman having a "Baby Mama." The movie itself explains this in an early scene. A black character states: If another woman is having your child, and you are paying her bills. She's your "Baby Mama." Just ask any black man.

You are acting as though "Baby Mama" is a common way for anyone to refer to the mother of children. It's not. It is a slang term that developed out of black culture in America, and turned into a stereotype. I've never in my life heard or seen it used in any other way.

Why did someone at FoxNews put it on the screen? I'm sure it was someone trying to be funny. And I'll be honest -- it was pretty funny. But it was also inappropriate for a news program. I'm not trying to make the case here that Fox News = KKK. I don't know where you get the Grand Dragon stuff. I really don't think it is that big of a deal. Some joker in the control room made an inappropriate joke. Pretty minor, IMHO.

The only reason I got involved in this thread is I couldn't believe someone would actually state: "Baby Mama" has nothing to do with race. Regardless of how one feels about FoxNews or Obama, that statement is simply wrong. The thing I don't get is why people feel the need to invent arguments to suit their political leanings. Why not just say, "Someone at FoxNews made a mistake?" Why the mental gymnastics? Why deny the obvious, just because you don't like the ramifications?

That's what I hate about political discourse on this board, and in this country. It always comes down to sides. Nobody reasons to conclusions. They just stack the facts to support their side. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. I don't get it.

I don't understand where this statement comes from, btw: Do you realize your white condensation is hurting the blacks progress more then it is helping? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. And that isn't just because you misused the word condensation. I'm not being condescending to anyone. The reality of the term "Baby Mama" doesn't turn on whether I think it helps or hurts "blacks progress." The term "Baby Mama" is what it is. Regardless of how I feel about blacks, Democrats, Obama, Republicans, FoxNews, or anything else.

This is about integrity in the analysis. Nothing more.


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"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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In all of your ramblings you never once explained how

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:21 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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"Baby Mama" is racist. You keep saying it is, but never providing any reason why it is. Blacks themselves use it a ton. So that means whites can't use it? Is "fo shizzle" racist? Is spelling dog, "dogg' racist? I don't get it? I think you nailed it when you said it was slang word. Not a racist word, a slang word.

Explain to me how it is racist and maybe I can argue with you. But until then, you are just simply saying something is racist because your friends at the country club don't use it to describe the mother of their children. Those friends probably don't say they like your "dougie" when you are wearing a new suit.

But I know for damn sure my friends (most of which are in their 20's) use "baby mama" to describe the girl they knocked up. So maybe you don't get it because your an old foggie??? Not sure, I would be assuming.

So would the media calling Britney a baby mama be racist?


Link: Britney is a baby mama, but not black

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You can't be this dense.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:35 am on Jun 13, 2008
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It is a slang term associated with black culture. The reason why it became a running a joke in -- and the title of -- the movie "Baby Mama." Remember that movie? The black guy explains what a "Baby Mama" is, and tells the naive white woman to "ask any black man." Remember that? You brought the movie up.

The fact that elements of white culture have co-opted the terminology doesn't change any of this. Your friends use terms like "fo shizzle" and "Baby Mama." Good for you guys. But would it be racist for FoxNews to put "fo shizzle" up on the screen when Obama is talking? YES! Would it be racist if FoxNews took a poll and asked the public if they would vote for "Obama-dogg?" YES. It would. For the same damn reason it is racist to put ghetto slang like "Baby Mama" on the screen in reference to Obama's wife. I know white guys who say crap like, "What up, niggas." Does that make the N-word fair game for FoxNews?

FoxNews took a black slang term that has become a joke to the world and they attached it to the wife of a presidential candidate who is black. And you are seriously going to pretend that there is no racial issue there?

Ideology over reason. The story of modern American politics.


"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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I guess I am

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:31 am on Jun 13, 2008
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The words orgins are reported to come from Jamaica. It means exactly what I have been stating it to mean. The mother of a child usually one that is unmarried. The word has nothing to do with race. It just doesn't. Was the guy who put it up doing it for racial reasons? I have no idea. I'd be speculating. He may of said, "Man, Baby Mama is a funny term, lets use it." Or, "We need to try target a younger demographic." Or, "I guarantee I sleep with her tonight, if not, I'll put Baby Mama on the screen."

But like I've said this whole time, Baby Mama is a word that has no racial back round. It is used for whites, blacks, and I'm sure J-Lo, whatever the fuck she is. The fact that people try to make it an issue is why race continues to be a problem. If we can't all use the same language how in the heck can we share the same land?


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Wow.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:48 am on Jun 13, 2008
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You are actually saying that "Baby Mama" has NO RACIAL BACKGROUND! None. Wow.

That is absurd. The term "Baby Mama" came to prominence through black culture, and became a slang term associated with black culture. Whether its origins can ultimately be traced back to Jamaica through wikipedia doesn't change that. YOU sited a movie that derived humor from the fact that "Baby Mama" is a black cultural slang term. But you still deny that it has any racial connotations?

You are correct in one thing: Your headline. The rest is rationalization.

Fo shizzle, my friend. Fo shizzle. (I think that derives from ancient Hebrew).


"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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Stop making sense

Author: MAS (15012 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Pointing out what everyone knows but pretends not to. Stop it.

You know those frat boys in Borat...


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Oh, please - you are WAY off-base here.

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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It's much more accurate to say ribs than fried chicken when discussing the stereotypes of African-American tastes and preferences.

You make me sick.


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I know. I'm way out of step with the times.

Author: JacksSmirkingRevenge (21148 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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I was going to say something about parachute pants. Glad I didn't.

"We have to build the Republic of Heaven where we are, because for us there is no elsewhere."
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Damn! That's a good point

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 am on Jun 12, 2008
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I'll give you that, well done.
But for any network that has coined the "Terrorist Fist jab" line, I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway, after 20 Hammer/KS/Windybill right wing posts, I thought it was time for some left side of the aisle indignation. Don't you agree? It's what we fought a revolution to ensure....
Make-a da world go round....


I was pro-tron before it was cool
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Game, set, match

Author: Slacker (7011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:13 am on Jun 12, 2008
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Nice end-around!!! I like it!!!

Author: jakers (9615 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:13 am on Jun 12, 2008
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