Now we have omicron, then pi, then rho, etc. Vaccine makers are researching into developing a variant-specific vaccine, but it's clear they will lag far behind the actual appearance of the variant.
In regard to how long are we supposed to keep doing this, I'm talking about health officials recommending mask-wearing, kids wearing masks in schools, forcing someone Covid-positive to sit out a game, etc. My best guess is three years from now, kids will still be wearing masks in schools (at least in some places) and Covid testing will still be done. And if you're not on your fifth booster you are not considered fully vaccinated.
Meanwhile, it won't matter than Covid deaths will be miniscule compared to today since almost everyone will have either been exposed to it or has their three four boosters.
When are we going to recognize that people have made their decision and to return to complete normal in the United States? I'm not talking about people - thankfully, in many places people are not wearing these useless masks and are living pre-2020 lives. I'm talking about our health officials and certain government officials who keep scaremongering this.
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I mean if the damn thing is transmissible between two vaxed people between walls...
And it appears to be very very mild.
What we are doing is akin to OCD ritualism.
Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-omicron-variant-appeared-to-spread-between-two-fully-vaccinated-people-in-separate-hotel-rooms-in-hong-kong-early-research-suggests/ar-AARwMQU?ocid=msedgntp
The same slow people who don’t want to get vaccinated or get their booster shots, are the same slow people complaining about “how many more laps, Coach?”
Echoing the sentiments of Coach Herb Brooks, the relevant question is “What team do you play for?”
From the beginning of the pandemic, world experts told us that mass vaccinations = the finish line. For months, the United States has had the capability and capacity to vaccinate 90% of its population. Yet, our Earth II lolly gaggers and whiners and obstructionists and slow people still want to keep doing more laps.
What team do you play for?
Link: Start playing for Team USA, folks!
according to the NIH serioprevalence survey. Why are we discounting natural immunity?
or 5x better...whichever way you want to describe the results of the CDC's October, 2021 "Morbidity and Mortality Report" mentioned there...as always, if you have scientific data/reports that contradict this finding, it's your 'duty' to present it...otherwise, acknowledge it and cease spreading unfounded opinions.
Link: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211031/covid-vax-5-times-more-protective-than-natural-immunity
You stupid unwashed masses, just do what we tell you is best for you.
as possible."...and that includes you...not that hard to believe, since they have the track record to prove it...the 'anti-vaxxers' and 'masking-deniers', not so much...
(Old punch line.)
The Plan™ requires everyone to be vaxxxed, because if there are millions left unvaxxxed, they will still be around after The Plan™ is fully implemented. That can not be allowed.
Gates has said many times, along with Fauchi, that the next virus will be the real pandemic with deadly consequences. Mr. WEF Klaus Schwab is on record saying that we need a crisis, some pandemic that puts enough fear into the world to beg for mass vaccination. That then we will line up for the slaughter.
People believe the Covid vaxxx is the thing they planned to cause the mass death. That isn't it at all. Certainly the Covid shots are killing a lot of people, but it isn't enough to stop billions from taking it. If everyone that took the shot immediately dropped dead, they wouldn't get very far.
The Covid vaxxxes were actually designed to destroy your immune system and lower your T-cell levels to zero. Why?
Smallpox. You've been hearing the chatter in the background, because they want it in the back of people's minds. So when it happens, there isn't a shock like it came out of the blue.
A lot of people don't know that T-cell immunity is passed down in the womb. That is how later generations became immune to the plague. It also happened with smallpox. As to why European settlers were not dying from the disease like the indigenous people in America. If hundreds of thousands of Indians were dying from smallpox, the settlers should have been as well. Most people alive today carry some immunity to the pathogen from ancestors that were exposed to the real disease.
Of course the "scientific" community likes to claim smallpox was eradicated by the vaccine. That is impossible with the population of the Earth. It wouldn't be possible to vaccinate everyone born around the world to eradicate a disease. Smallpox was also disappearing before the vaccination was available. Just like polio.
But what happens if you destroy the innate immune system of a few billion people with the Covid vaxxx and then release a weaponized smallpox? Billions die, and they die quickly. However, the unvaxxxed will still carry some natural immunity and the ability to fight off the disease. It will be very apparent if the Covid vaxxxed start getting sick and dying and the unvaxxxed are ok.
If you put everything together. This is the only possibility that makes sense. It is coming, just like when I warned of the Covid tyranny in March of 2020.
of us. There will be LOTS of discussion on this, but with Delta running around and tens of millions of Americans unvaccinated, that concern is secondary.
As for masking...here's an excerpt from Baron's MIT Study on the topic of indoor transmission risk that I posted earlier...note that "CET" means "Cumulative Exposure Time"
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"In both examples, the benefit of face masks is immediately apparent, since the CET limit is enhanced by a factor p−2m
, the inverse square of the mask penetration factor. Standard surgical masks are characterized by pm=1to5% (73, 74), and so allow the CET to be extended by 400 to 10,000 times. Even cloth face coverings would extend the CET limit by 6 to 100 times for hybrid fabrics (pm=10to40%)or 1.5 to 6 times for single-layer fabrics (pm=40to80%)(75). Our inference of the efficacy of face masks in mitigating airborne transmission is roughly consistent with studies showing the benefits of mask use on COVID-19 transmission at the scales of both cities and countries (22, 33, 83)."
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Another way of expressing the efficacy of 'Cloth Masks' is that the report finds them to be anywhere from 500% to 9,900% more effective than no masks at all...not the same level as surgical masks which front line doctors and nurses use, but nothing to be "Sneezed" at either ;-).
Link: https://www.vox.com/2021/10/22/22737328/covid-19-pandemic-endemic
One year?
Two years?
If the conditions you outline don't change after, say, 5 years, will you still support doing all this stuff?
10 years?
100 years?
When would you, personally, say, "Enough is enough. We just have to treat the sick, and let the healthy do what they want"?
Quite frankly, it's a judgement call that involves more than just the USA, since this is a worldwide "Pandemic" we are currently IN...like it or not. There's much data to be considered, and as the article suggests it's not going to be an "On/Off" switch sort of thing....very likely to be a case where some localities will be 'good to go', while others will be lagging behind...you know who you are ;-).
The hope and expectation is that we'll be treating COVID-19 much like the season flu with periodic booster shots...but IMO since this is a quite deadly pandemic, we'll be on the lookout for outbreaks of new mutations that could cause serious illness for quite some time, and if that happens we'll probably treat such events as "Outbreaks" so that they don't become "Epidemics", or heaven forbid..."Pandemics"...btw, if you haven't gotten the board game "PANDEMIC", buy one now for Christmas...amazingly, it was a huge hit at our house years ago....I kid you not.
BTW...this is no joke....the sooner we get LOTS of people fully VAXXED (think 80+%), the sooner we can stop asking "Are We There Yet?"
From serioprevalence survey of more than 1 million people about two months ago, of which I participated. That percentage has to be approaching 90% by now.
Granted, I'd be pretty defensive and easily riled if I decided I had to defend indefensible positions.
reply...not exactly a thoughtful response to my posting of a coherent perspective on the original posters question...which I'm guessing you still haven't read...
You are what you are...I'm just dealing with it ;-).
...then explain.
Try not to make it personal. Just answer the question: Assuming we cannot stop the virus and it will be with us forever like the FLU, when will you end the restrictions? As usual, you refuse to give a direct answer. But, I would welcome one. How long is too long for you? When would you shrug, and say, "we tried," and move on? Never? 100 years? 10 years? After the next election?
to add...now if you want to shift to another topic, that's another story.
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Boosters apparently work pretty well, even with variants. But with the % we now have vaccinated and the advent of effective therapeutics it does come down to a matter of personal choice.
The courts will settle this.
Link: https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/12/06/doctors-were-not-seeing-many-infections-in-people-whove-had-boosters-n433589
I don’t have a problem with either keeping or removing that rule. I get why they may keep it awhile for safety reasons given the age group and the close quarters. COVID impacts my life right now not one iota, cept where some gathering place or business requires a mask which is their right. Stop with the BS. If you don’t wanna get vaxxed, remain an asshole and at risk. Your call. Sick of catering and explaining to morons.
My family has their shots. I don't believe you that this will end because of scientific reasons. It will end when people become so fed up with the Left, that they vote you out of office.
Looks like I'm going to have to remind you and Baron repeatedly that the CDC, WHO and all the other Health Organizations were formed long before COVID-19, from a medical perspective...and long before Donald Trump came on the political scene...these people are applying the same knowledge, skills, protocols, testing, etc. that they have always used to help control this pathogen as they have on others...the only difference is that we are in the midst of a global pandemic, the likes of which haven't been scene for 100 years.
Just stop with the 'Tin Foil Hat' stuff...it's not pretty on either of you.
Normal people would say, "I know we've tried these restrictions for 40 years, but it is time for us to return to normal." You won't do that. It shows that you are not normal, and are just a partisan.
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But with respect to your misleading account of the FDA's EUA on vaccines for children, I've attached a synopsis of the panel deliberations for your (and all other readers) benefit...in it there is the following excerpt from those who favored going forward with it...in contravention to your implication that the majority favored holding back...yes, there were objections, but as one of the 'retirees' said...she "didn't begrudge" the decision...
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"While acknowledging the potential risks involved with vaccinating pediatric populations, David Kim, director of the Division of Vaccines, Office of Infectious Disease and HIV/AIDS Policy at the Department of Health and Human Services, asked his fellow committee members to consider the risks of not vaccinating children.
“What is the cost of not vaccinating, what is the cost to our children if we do not proceed with a vaccination program? Not only in terms of protecting their health but for the larger public health?” Kim asked."
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I realize this sort of clarification won't swing you, but I feel it important to fill in the HUGE gaps you leave for others who might somehow trust what you say.
Link: https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2021/6/fda-panel-split-on-approach-to-covid-19-vaccines-f
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I think it is reasonable to say, "If current conditions look like they will go on indefinitely as they are now, then we will stop with restrictions after 6 months."
Your party doesn't want to do that.
People are starting to wonder why, and the likely answers are not good for the Republic.
Honestly, Ned, the Trump era pushed you over the edge.
He’s become a nutty.
I just don't believe you that all we have to do is get vaccinated, for you guys to let up. After all, that is already happening, and I see no end in siight...which means I am right. And, Tyrone backs me up. He has no stopping point.
If you think we haven't vaccinated enough, then maybe you mean 100% vaxxed, which can only be enforced by going door to door with SWAT teams?...in which case, I am right, the answers are not good for the Republic.
Or, is there a number short of 100% that you would accept. If so, that is what has been asked in this thread. What, short of despotism (the 100% house-to-house raid option), will stop all the restrictions? Because, beating COVID is not an option, and I think we all know it. It is like the FLU. I will be with us forever...so how much longer must we carry on this charade? Until the next election that the Dems lose is the most likely answer.
of getting everyone, aged 5 yrs and up, vaccinated (which, btw, addresses Baron's question of why the Biden admin - and all but two FDA panel members - favored vaccinating kids)...better yet, read the whole article...it takes less time than what you've already wasted here on this thread by avoiding that simple task ;-).
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For now, “we have to remember that we are still in a pandemic with this virus,” said Jen Kates, director of global health and HIV policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “We’re not yet at a point where we’re living with endemic Covid. When we get to that point some of this will be much easier, but we’re not there.”
“A disease is endemic if the reproductive number is stably at one. That means one infected person, on average, infects one other person,” explained Boston University epidemiologist Eleanor Murray. “Right now, we are nowhere near that. Each person who’s infected is infecting more than one person.”
In general, a virus becomes endemic when we — health experts, governmental bodies, and the public — collectively decide that we’re okay with accepting the level of impact the virus has. And obviously, that’s a tricky thing: People will differ as to what constitutes an acceptable level.
There’s one imminent development that makes Murray hopeful about the pandemic phase winding down in the US by 2022: Vaccines for 5- to 11-year-olds are expected to be approved within weeks. “I think once we have vaccines for all ages, I’m a lot more hopeful about the control situation in the US,” she said. Vaccinating school-going kids is crucial both because it’ll protect them and because it’ll limit spread in the community.
As we move toward endemicity, we can expect to watch this process happen in reverse, experts told me.
First, we’ll likely see individual states declaring an end to the emergency (some states already have). This will be staggered. Some areas, notably those with high vaccination rates, will reach a reasonable approximation of endemicity sooner than others.
On a national level, “the CDC may pull back our state of emergency in the US if cases remain low at some point in the future,” said Tara Smith, an epidemiologist at Kent State University.
“But we still have a long way to go in controlling the virus around the globe,” she added. “A pandemic by nature is global, and while we’re doing better in the US and other wealthy countries, vaccine availability in many low- and middle-income countries has been atrocious.”
The WHO will eventually declare an end to the global pandemic, just like it’s done in the past for, say, the H1N1 “swine flu” pandemic. You just shouldn’t expect to hear the WHO’s declaration anytime soon.
If you live in the US, “it’s certainly possible” your region will be reasonably classed as being in the endemic phase in 2022, Petrie said. When the time comes, your state health department and local officials will likely make an announcement, based partly on the virus’s objective reproductive number and partly on the more subjective criteria above.
And until then? Rather than thinking of endemicity as an on-off switch next year, plan to think of it as a dimmer switch, Petrie told me. He plans to keep an eye on the CDC’s county data tracker to monitor local transmission levels. When his county is no longer in the red zone, he’ll start to feel more comfortable doing more public activities. We all have different levels of risk tolerance, so, for a while yet, we’ll be making our own subjective choices about which thresholds feel safe enough.
“As we’re transitioning to a more endemic level,” he said, “I think adjusting your behavior based on what’s happening locally makes a lot of sense.”
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Meanwhile, carry on with your political fantasies...
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read the article to find out what it says about the transition from "Pandemic" to "Endemic"?...if so, cite any passage you have questions about and we can discuss...if you haven't read it or won't read it...just move along...it's that easy.
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People than this new variant.
Because you sure don't want to be standing in front of him!
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They will continue to push the goal posts and the Liberals will continue to cheer them on. There is always going to be another variant and more boosters. Thank god for DeSantis. I can live normally down here and go anywhere I want.
Now with the mandate being shoved up Joe’s ass, I don’t have to worry about my job. Sanity seems to be winning, at times.
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You don’t wanna wear a mask, don’t wear one unless the place you are at requires it which is their right. I don’t.
....this is linked with their immigration policy.
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