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Russia takes Crimea during the Obama years, does nothing during the Trump years, and will now take

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 8:22 am on Dec 8, 2021
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parts or all of Ukraine during the Biden years.

During the Trump years, we placed bipartisan sanctions on the Nordstream 2 pipeline preventing Russia's gas from directly reaching Europe, forcing it to go through the Ukraine, which is the main reason why Putin didn't launch a war against the Ukraine. Four days after taking office Biden reversed the Trump-era sanctions against the Nordstream 2 pipeline allowing gas to be sold directly to Germany and putting Ukraine at risk. Thus, Putin has his troops amassed on the Ukraine border and as everyone knows has been shooting and killing people across it for some time now.

The prostrate Democrats and our ineffectual President will give us a new war.

Chris, do we have a better evacuation plan this time?

Frank, does Biden bending over for Putin alarm you?


Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-nato-russia-ukraine-invasion-b1970490.html

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Thread Level: 2

Putin may figure JB will counter w/a prolonged pull out&leave billions in new military tech behind

Author: BaronVonZemo (60156 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:07 pm on Dec 8, 2021
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Yes, no doubt that Putin is looking to gain concessions and/or territory. Given the way

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 1:39 pm on Dec 8, 2021
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Biden has handled this, he can't lose.

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Orange wanted no sanctions on his pal. Congress passed the first set almost unanimously over his

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:22 am on Dec 8, 2021
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objection. His coup pal, Flynn was on the phone with ambassador right after the Obama sanctions before he was even president kissing his arse. You now lying to try to say that Orange was kind of sanctions hawk? Again, you are never right on anything like Orange ending the Korean War.

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Trump and a bi-partisan Senate imposed sanctions that Biden waived in 4 days, and you rail on Trump.

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 11:28 am on Dec 8, 2021
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I rail on you for saying that Orange imposed them. He wanted no part of them.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:38 am on Dec 8, 2021
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Congress imposed them not him.

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I see. So Nordstream 2 is why Russia didn't invade, is it? Tell me more, expert.

Author: Chris94 (36799 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:51 am on Dec 8, 2021
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You obviously have your finger on the pulse of Russian foreign policy. We can all learn so much from you.

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No, it was really Putin's fear of major repercussions & possibly war.Biden took war off of the table

Author: BaronVonZemo (60156 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Dec 8, 2021
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...let's hope Biden's repercussions are enough to dissuade him. Now that he has allowed Russia their pipeline to the EU and concomitantly shut much of our own production down, there is some concern that we wouldn't get the allies on board with us...at least not Germany.
With the full EU's backing, we could cut off that pipeline, but winter is coming, Germany has a new leader, and Biden is widely perceived as very weak.


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No Baron. Trump was not about to go to war over Ukraine. Neither is Biden.

Author: Chris94 (36799 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:48 pm on Dec 8, 2021
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I know,,,,Biden said so. And he made our position SO much stronger with his gas/oil policies,right?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60156 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Dec 8, 2021
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Nord Stream 2 sanctions were bipartisan when first adopted correct? Why did Biden waive them?

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 11:02 am on Dec 8, 2021
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What does Putin have on him?

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The Minsk process was much more important

Author: Chris94 (36799 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:14 am on Dec 8, 2021
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I don't necessarily think we need to push Kiev to live up to it...but it is what Putin is focused on, not Nordstream.

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You mean a direct pipeline to Germany that bypasses Ukraine isn't important? Serious?

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 11:26 am on Dec 8, 2021
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Where's PB?

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No, it's not what is driving this conflict.

Author: Chris94 (36799 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:40 am on Dec 8, 2021
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It's more about identity and Russia's sphere of influence and paranoia over NATO. And Moscow still licking its cold-war wounds.

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Kabuki. Putin's polls are down but dead Russian kids would make things far worse.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:24 am on Dec 8, 2021
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Same with Biden and US kids.

Nobody gains from a war except the munitions makers.


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If this doesn't happen will you never post here again?

Author: Quest4twelve (6764 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:06 am on Dec 8, 2021
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It might not happen. Biden may instead give concession after concession to prevent it. We'll see.

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 9:11 am on Dec 8, 2021
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And no, Questy.

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