transgender? Gay doesn’t deny your biological gender it just says you are sexually attracted to others of that gender as opposed to the opposite gender.
Transgender though seems to be a denial of your biological reality, both plumbing wise and chromosome wise.
Psychological maturation results in heterosexuality. Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. As infants we begin as asexual, then pass thru a bisexual phase and if there are no trauma events we become male or female. Gender dysphoris occurs if we are detoured along the way.
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and your mother.
Almost fad like to a point. Not that, that is a negative, but their community is also discovering a way to describe themselves as a group and as individuals - but they all have one thing in common, being ostracized by the straight community and that includes the denial of civil rights. A lot of push back by the LGTBQ community in general to the politics of America and the self-righteous bigots who push an anti-LGTBQ agenda. Face it, a large swath of America is not very inclusive to the point of real hard line discrimination against LGTBQ.
And our history isn’t good on the subject.
I just don’t get this trans thing though. In other words, I don’t oppose them because of their orientation, i.e. biological males and females being attracted to the same sex. I also don’t support discrimination against them. What I don’t get is trying to be something that you just aren’t.
We can explore every aspect of the evolution of our physical characteristics... why foreclose on that of our psychological development? Or might there be something scary in that for all of us?
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As for me, I don't care to be involved in their need for self description and identification.
I find the politics of anti-gay and pro-straight groups off-putting which seem to be mostly fomented by the dumbass PC police. I'm not in the game of bullshit identity issues and causes.
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One of the biggest issues is early identification children - as infants. Most parents I know naturally would dress their children to an established code of blue for boys, pink for girls - boys play with trucks, girls play with dolls. However with the population growing the way it is, the number of those misidentified is growing putting great strain on the children who are misidentified. As they become older, there's big pushback. The established norm biologically is what we know, male with female but the issues are now exaggerated from when our grandparents and great grandparents were in control; those community rules remain the same putting great strain on the now growing queer folk. Now all our social norms are severely challenged and with social media and media in general, the apple cart has been tipped and won't be upright for a long time.
Long ago novelists and song writers were sending out code to readers spelling out their queer lives and no one in the straight community noticed or didn't get it. That's all changed.
My favorite singer (friend) sings a great Johnny Mercer tune of the perils of being a gay man hiding his identity.
The great American writer John Cheever too.
Are you conflating (a) true chromosomal/development issues such that the person does not have a clear biological sex, with (b) people who are clearly one biological sex, but have a mental perception that they should be a different biological sex?
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"One of the biggest issues is early identification children - as infants. Most parents I know naturally would dress their children to an established code of blue for boys, pink for girls - boys play with trucks, girls play with dolls. "
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Please stop with the posts where you know when you don't know.
Link: a link that begins to help explain gender dysphoria.
Er, okay.
Gender activists assert that people can be born into the wrong body. The onus is on them to prove this assertion. You support their position. Please provide scientific evidence that someone can be born into the wrong body and meant to be born into the opposite sex.
You can accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about, but at least I explain my position when pressed, which opens me up to attack, which is ok, because it is how we all learn.
You, on the other hand, refuse to explain your position, and I assume you refuse because you are unable to defend your position, and you fear being exposed.
Then you'll know something.
The link you provided does not support your position. Not sure why you provided it. Did you get mixed up?
If you have a penis (men with penises, women with penises, etc.), pee over here; if not, pee over there.
a certain way should change. What does it matter who pees where? I go to the bathroom to go to the bathroom and nothing else. Those who frequent bathrooms for other intentions do it anyway and no amount of legal definition or signage is going to change that.
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Louis CK bit...
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I assume all of my favorite comedians are liberal, but they aren't the lamebrain "Lib comedians" you like. But my point stands, you're a threat to humor.
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"A loosely defined community of Lesbian, Gay, Transgender united in a common cause."
What I believe their community should include has no bearing on what they desire. That very same goes for you too.
So; Me, I couldn't give a shit. I will continue to use the same pronouns as always. If you dress like a woman, I'll use that pronoun. After that, I couldn't care less what they or you think.
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Transgender people have a mental perception disorder (they perceive a reality that does not exist). In the past, the answer has always been to try to guide/treat those afflicted with the mental disorder so that they can perceive reality correctly...not to make all of society encourage them to cultivate the disorder, and surely not to encourage children to cultivate a reality perception disorder.
Homosexuality is just a sexual preference, not a mental disorder. Gay men aren't having sex expecting to have babies, and we aren't requiring society to act like they could get pregnant at any time. All the parties recognize the biology that controls; no one is denying biological science; they are just saying, "Here's who I like to hug and achieve sexual release with." That is something that any adult can do without harming anyone, and without even harming themselves physically. They don't have to mutilate their genitalia to realize their full homosexuality; they don't have to partially but radically alter their biological body in an attempt to fully change their biological state.
Transgender is not a mental disorder and being gay isn't a preference.
How is it in this day with so much information available, you stick with the stupidity of what was yesteryear wives-tales used as science?
If you want to know what misidentification is, you just wrote it. You misidentified every trans person out there from infant to adult.
Are there some trans people who are unstable? yes, of course but that may come from being misidentified in their youth.
Is trans fully understood? No. But your little thesis doesn't help, them or you.
I found this fine, concise diagnosis of the situation.
He was a Hillary voter, by the way.
Link: https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1067112939482574848
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my student teacher, who is immersed in this ideology: find me a single biologist who will go on record stating that an individual can choose his/her sex and that, biologically-speaking, sex and gender are two separate things. You cannot be "born into the wrong body." If that is so, do you also believe in "transracialism?" That's a thing, as is "transableism." What about transpeciesism? I guarantee at a certain point, probably with my first example, you began to conclude that such people are delusional, because you can't be "born into the wrong skin pigment." Why is sex different?
Folks like you are at least as bad, probably worse, than the folks who deny climate science. Chromosomes and human biology are more "settled science" than that stuff. All you're doing is repeating activist propaganda.
As an activist in the Trans and Gay world, I'm not. Never have been and don't intend to be.
When you and Neddie and Iggles get the reality of it so wrong it's difficult not to say something. You Perpetuating Bullshit Mid-American wives tales, pouring it out on the internet as some sort of obvious fact gathering we've all missed is just same stupidity our American brother and sisters, sons and daughters have been living with for an eternity. Why not have them wear a Yellow Star on their clothing when in public so you can tell them, you have diagnostic proof they're not who they say they are?
As far as "transracialism transableism. transpeciesism"- WTF?
I guess you're the type who believes in transglutenism.
the people you dislike to be. Please...I'm begging you...post some scientific evidence that an individual can be born into the wrong body. Cite us a biologist who argues that you can choose your own sex.
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If, on the other hand, your whole motivation in defending transgenderism is to ingratiate yourself to the people within your circles and get yourself at least into the foyer of the club, that is something else. It probably impresses them. As you can see, it doesn't impress too many people here.
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Conversely, you have no evidence to prove your old wives tales.
There are two types of transgender:
1) Those with chromosomal disorders or physical development disorders. This is true transgender, and it is based on biological science...verifiable, medical disorders. I don't think anyone denies that these disorders should be treated by medical science, if possible. Right? You agree with that, right? If we can address their disorder, we should do so. We should not pretend they don't have a disorder and deny them treatment.
2) Those who have no chromosomal or physical development disorders, but they have a mental perception that they are a "man trapped in a woman's body" or vice-versa. These are people who perceive themselves to be a different sex than the sex that biological science clearly and unambiguously classifies them as. This is a mental disorder...a constant misperception of biological reality. It is my impression that this group is the basis for the majority of the modern transgender political movement.
This is why transgenders are worthy of our sympathy and our help. They do not deserve to be carelessly treated like we might casually indulge a harmless childhood fantasy for a brief period of time. There are high stakes here, such as the amazingly high incidence of suicides in transgender people.
Explain either how one or both of those are not disorders, or explain a third class of transgender that I have missed.
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There is nothing non-scientific about what I posted. Chromosomal disorders result in developmental disorders such as non-development of genitalia. Mental disorders include compulsive perception of unreal things as real. This is non-controversial medical science.
Denial of the "scientific platform" is on your side of the discussion: Sex is not genetic. Homosexuality is genetic. Both of those are denial of settled science.
We know far more about the dynamic forces beneath the earth's crust than we do about those within our skulls.
First, I didn't mention nebulous, untested theories about mental health or social science. I mentioned testable, verifiable, commonly known, provable conditions such as the numbers of X and Y chromosomes. In other words, I was saying that gravity exists, not that a specific controversial theory of gravity is true.
Secondly, even if science is not settled (a true statement), and can always be improved upon (also true), there is this: In science, a "fact" is something that is so confirmed that it is perverse to withhold provisional assent. The fact that having a single X chromosome and a single Y chromosome makes you a man is, indeed, a scientific fact. I don't think your comment justifies taking the opposite position...that because the science might change some day, we should base our laws on the possibility that science could be wrong.
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And if so, may I choose my own pronoun? "His Majesty" perhaps?
UofM defines 31 gender identities, it's out of control, IMO.
I still love this:
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Plus back-in the day in NO, the trannys would piss in the men’s room where they belonged.
1) The obvious answer is “no” because they are awful as a concept. There is no way a real man would attend one unless lives were at stake.
2) But the question was really about whether it was right to try to assign a “gender” to unborn children based merely on their genitals. It’s ok to kill them whatever their genitals might be, but don’t you Dare(!) assign a gender you heinous bastards.
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I wish I could double air-quote ""The Ethicist"". Hey, I just did!