Meanwhile in France on the Climate Change Front....riots over Macron’s taxes (fuel most recently)...

Author: BaronVonZemo (21579 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:56 pm on Dec 2, 2018

...said to be necessary to combat Climate Change (but really necessary to pay for many of his liberal policies).
Large scale immigration is not cheap either.

We can see our own future in this mess if we pursue their course just as we could see it with Healthcare.


Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/macron-visits-riot-damaged-arc-de-triomphe-state-of-emergency-mulled-idUSKBN1O1072

Replies to: Meanwhile in France on the Climate Change Front....riots over Macron’s taxes (fuel most recently)...


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Energy taxes are probably among the best ways to change behavior.

Author: Iggle (4956 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:30 pm on Dec 2, 2018

If you believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas (scientifically indisputable), and you believe that the increase in CO2 over the past 200 years could be dangerous, you should be depressed at this backlash in a place that has pretty much bought in to the need for changes in behavior. Not a good sign for the world, IMO. We better hope the feedbacks turn out to be negative or we are probably F’d.

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Actually Macron's carbon tax increase is very very modest. It won't qualitatively change the behavor

Author: Eli (3614 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:37 pm on Dec 3, 2018

of anybody. Roughly taking a look at the increase, I see it's on the scale of monthly fluctuation of gas at our pump stations. (This is perhaps the reason why Macron stands firm so far and won't make any compromise). But the people's reaction to this modest change is much stronger. This tells you the protest is probably about more than the merely the modest carbon tax. of course, I hope Macron abandon all the carbon taxes. That's a different topic.

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Also a great way to fund giveaways to political supporters.

Author: Curly1918 (1773 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:20 am on Dec 3, 2018

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Lots of first-time rioters?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (15177 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:49 am on Dec 3, 2018

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So taxing for sake of behavior modeling. Why don’t you liberals admit these things during election?

Author: BaronVonZemo (21579 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:36 pm on Dec 2, 2018

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i guess you refuse to claim your mortgage and charity deductions based on your principles.

Author: Iggle (4956 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 6:27 am on Dec 3, 2018

What a model for others.

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those charitable deductions save the govt the trouble of doing the work less effectively and

Author: BaronVonZemo (21579 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:26 pm on Dec 3, 2018

while I paid for my house on cash, those who buy houses are paying plenty of property taxes as well as interest to banks which drives the countries economy. The govt puts those mortgage deductions there to encourage people to buy homes since it benefits the government significantly when they do so.