A second accuser against the lieutenant governor has come forward.

Author: Cole (8062 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 5:37 pm on Feb 8, 2019

We were told during the Kavanaugh hearing that because there were multiple accusers he must be guilty. So I assume the lieutenant governor is now toast. Some Democrats, important ones, have already called on him to resign.

How will Democrats feel if the black guy has to resign and the two white guys who wore blackface stay in office?


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He’s issued a statement: “F that bitch too!”

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16574 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:21 am on Feb 9, 2019

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This literally made me laugh out loud. Well done

Author: Nigel Tufnel (4248 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Feb 9, 2019

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Hopefully, he will be presumed innocent and evidence will be expected to be produced...

Author: BaronVonZemo (23743 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Feb 8, 2019

...I understand the point you're making, but the "Kavanaugh Treatment" cannot be mainstreamed. Ant political oppoenent can be conveniently taken down this way, particularly if the media wants the person removed.

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This is not a court of law. It’s politics.

Author: Chris94 (21467 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:40 pm on Feb 8, 2019

And since this dirtbag is probably guilty - false accusations are rare - fuck him.

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Where will the evidence be presented?

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Since you cling to the presumption of innocence (which can only be overcome by a unanimous jury convinced BRD of guilt), is it your position that sexual assault allegations against an elected official or political candidate are meaningless, unless and until the person is criminally charged and convicted by a jury?

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I think that without the accuser having previously filed charges or at least a report for decades,

Author: BaronVonZemo (23743 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:27 am on Feb 9, 2019

is a must to presume innocence, though certainly if the accusers credibility can be confirmed with evidence, then the claim is very meaningful.

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He can be criminally charged

Author: CC72 (13903 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 9:26 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Tough to prove something that happened (or didn’t happen) so long ago with no police report or witnesses. Unfortunately US politics had devolved into nothing more than 20-30 year old accusations of sexual assaults and supposedly racist behavior. Maybe the Republican and Dem parties need to be flushed down the toilet. Hope the socialists join them.

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Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the state.

Author: NedoftheHill (22582 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:45 pm on Feb 9, 2019

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Yes. Of course.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Whats your standard?

Author: Iggle (5223 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:08 pm on Feb 8, 2019

A charge YOU believe?

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It is not a math equation. See below thread.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:16 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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I read it. You’re a political hack.

Author: Iggle (5223 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:19 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Like the rest of us. Stop pretending you’re some kind of Solomon.

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I sleep well, atop the moral high ground.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:31 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Keep up with your circus like acrobatic leaps, seeking to justify your support for Trump enablers.

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Author: Iggle (5223 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:48 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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I agree with your point, but it doesn't fully apply here.

Author: Cole (8062 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 6:34 pm on Feb 8, 2019

We know that he responded to the first accuser by saying "fuck that bitch." That is a 1950s type reaction. He is a lieutenant governor and the second most powerful person in the state. He set a horrific example for all the people who work for the government and he has no credibility anymore on women's issues which, as many times as I joke, are of course important. He's already demonstrated that he is completely unfit for office and he should go. I am surprised that the Democrats have let him stay in power this long. He should have immediately resigned after those comments.

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Sounds like a perfect fit for the Supreme Court!

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:59 pm on Feb 8, 2019

There often is a pattern re such conduct.

Fitness for political office vs fitness for the Presidency vs fitness for the judiciary vs guilty BRD in a criminal case, are different.

It is not a "one size fits all" proposition. Facts matter. Context matters. The level of scrutiny and vetting matters.

Denying it does not mean it did not happen.

But, it is also possible that two parties have different takeaways/perspectives from the same sexual encounter. The line can be fuzzy.

Bottom line is that Democrats cannot talk out of both sides of our mouths. We should hold our own to the highest ethical standards possible.


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Excellent compilation of cliches.

Author: Cole (8062 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 6:24 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Everything I do is excellent. Schooling you is one such thing.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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You may be a tad advanced for him.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:47 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Any "Republican" like yourself who admits he voted for Hillary is, safe to say,

Author: Cole (8062 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 4:59 am on Feb 9, 2019

a chucklesmog.

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Name calling is all ya got.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:01 am on Feb 9, 2019

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Also I’m proud to stand with the last good R president HW Bush in doing so.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:11 am on Feb 11, 2019

Country over party, yo.

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You would be a good judge of that being the cliche king.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:25 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Sounds like a double standard to me. If Bart was disqualified for SCOTUS, don’t know how you can say

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:16 pm on Feb 8, 2019

this guy doesn’t need to go. The woman is credible, has details, is a strong D with no political axe to grind, and the allegations are more recent.

Don’t get me wrong, I believed Ford for the most part that Bart did something way wrong to her all those years ago. But it couldn’t be proven which is why I also said I would vote to confirm. This case seems even stronger though.


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No double standard. I expect Democrats to police their own.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:39 pm on Feb 8, 2019

However, Fairfax is not awaiting confirmation to the US Supreme Court.

Should he resign if he vehemently denies the allegations?

If he is unwilling to resign, do not know whether VA has an impeachment process to force him out of office???

But Democrats should pursue ouster if they have good faith reason to believe the allegations have merit.


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Kavanaugh vehemently denied the allegations as well. They all do, trust me.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:46 pm on Feb 8, 2019

But if the D’s don’t do what you propose and pursue getting him out, it’s rank hypocrisy.

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I get it. Not disagreeing re the need to be consistent.

Author: conorlarkin (10307 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Feb 8, 2019

But, the comparison to Justice Kavanaugh is not symmetrical.

Justice Kavanaugh not only denied Dr. Ford's allegation, but he also denied the encounter ever happened.

Moreover, even assuming Dr. Ford was being truthful, his confirmation did not hinge upon the credibility of Dr. Ford's allegation.

A Senator could completely disbelieve Dr. Ford, yet vote against Judge Kavanaugh because they felt he lacked the requisite temperament, or had lied about his stint in the White House, or simply did not trust his jurisprudence.

Conversely, a Senator could wholeheartedly believe Dr. Ford, yet vote to confirm Judge Kavanaugh because they felt the incident was too dated, and the product of relatively harmless high school immaturity, balanced against Judge Kavanaugh's distinguished career as a judge, and utter lack of any predatory or inappropriate conduct since college.

On the other hand, Lt. Governor Fairfax is an elected official. He must have the confidence of the electorate who voted him into office. He denies the allegations and has not been afforded the ability to confront the serious allegations in any meaningful forum. Should the Democrats investigate/vet the allegations? Of course. But, at this moment in time, he has not been charged with criminal wrongdoing. He denies he did anything wrong.

More time will tell whether he should be forced out of office.


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Or president.

Author: NedoftheHill (22582 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:14 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Adios, Fairfax.

Author: Chris94 (21467 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:52 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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There is no way all 3 of these guys go down if the fourth guy is a Republican.

Author: Iggle (5223 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:15 pm on Feb 8, 2019

You can choose two to get rid of but there is no way the 3rd goes. Let’s all admit this is a completely political bullshit process.

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Well...no one's denying it. Too much to expect open honesty on that, even in the Open.

Author: NedoftheHill (22582 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Feb 9, 2019

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Why? Bart and Orange have given him the playbook. Just say fuck you, I’m not leaving.

Author: Frank L (33872 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:52 pm on Feb 8, 2019

No way he’s getting impeached under the standard there.

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