The impact of Medicare-for-all would be a transfer of wealth from caucasians to people of color
Whites overwhelmingly depend on private health insurance through their employers. By contrast, African Americans and Latinos have far less coverage through the private health insurance market. Switching to a government funded and run system, whites would effectively be paying for the health insurance of people of color AND would experience a severe diminution in the quality of their own care. PLUS, people of color would have less motivation to seek employment in the private market. Of course, even pointing all this out could be considered racist.
Replies to: The impact of Medicare-for-all would be a transfer of wealth from caucasians to people of color
The race element has nothing to do with it.
It clearly though is a shift of funding and care to the lower income brackets.
It’s not going to happen. People have a right to private insurance, although lately it’s pretty shitty deductible wise.
What is needed is some type of Medicaid expansion, gap filler that provides basic coverage to those who can’t afford the private product and don’t qualify right now.
Like immigration, this is a problem that can be fixed if there is the will to do it, while avoiding the nuttiness of both extremes.
The race element has a lot to do with opposition to it
As Curly eloquently demonstrated.
Nonsense
200 million people who know their current coverage is much better than whatever the government can gin together has a lot to do with it.
please share for me a few sources that race is the underlying critique of medicare for all other tha
n curly's post.
Curly merely stated what lots of people believe
If you think he is alone, you should try to interact with 'Mericans.
I don't think it is the ONLY factor that is important here - you can obviously oppose medicare-for-all and not be racist (I don't support it) - but it is a factor, especially among poorly educated whites (i.e., Trump's base).
Until his post, I don't recall ever hearing anyone mention it being a race issue. All I've heard an
yone mention is the cost, quality and lack of choice.
Rarely are such things stated
On anonymous internet message boards, however...
you hear what you want to hear. Just show me some links to anyone other than curly calling it a rac
ial issue.
This is not a new idea.
Me neither honestly.
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For some sure. For most center right R’s though the loss of their private option
is the driving force.
The D’s will go down, not just in flames, but in a nuclear blast if they run on that.
I really think a moderate like Biden or Amy could get a deal that would work on this.
But nah, play right into the Orange playbook just when there are signs that his BS is wearing off in a big way with swing voters.
Fair enough... but is opposing Medicare-for-All racist?
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Of course not. The problem is everyone looks at issues through the prism of race.
The nut jobs on the left use it to gin up their crowd and get media attention. They make a mockery of what really is racism. The moron in chief cynically uses it to continually stoke fears to drive out his knuckledraggers to the polls.
In the meantime no one really wants to solve the problem. Like the border this could be dealt with if there was any will to do so. There isn’t. So it all comes down to whether Orange can so thoroughly turn off the voters that this overcomes the nuttiness on the other side.
We evolved in congresses and then tribes (that's also the underlying genesis of football rivalries).
Of course it's unreasonable not to overcome this... and it's ultimately detrimental for the common good of the species. But good luck abolishing our psychological heritage.
Holy shit, dude
Wow, lots to unwrap there.
Get help.
There's not too much to unpack, actually.
He thinks social policy is designed to hurt whites and help blacks. It's not too complicated.
Ok... go ahead... unwrap. Or are these issues that cause you anxiety|?
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When considering Medicare For All
...I am actually amazed that someone could let the perceived impact on various racial groups inform his decision on its overall merits.
Why go there?
I think we all admire those who make up facts and then pontificate.
But it is obviously instructive that you see the whole Medicare-for-all issue through the prism of race. That’s what Trump is counting on.
And when it is pointed out that these issues are shot through with race, the right reacts with outrage. Playing the race card! Outrageous!
Reality: Rube nation thinks just like Curly. They see ALL welfare as taking money from whites and giving it to blacks (facts notwithstanding).
Whites work! They “overwhelmingly get insurance through employers”! Blacks and Latinos are lazy leeches!
Instructive post.
So do you disagree that Medicare-for-all would have a disparate negative impact on white folks?
Or is this yet another unfortunate reality that you feel we should simply blind ourselves to?
You continue to prove my point. Social policy, to rubes, is race policy.
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Do you run a business with employees? If not you don’t know what you are talking about.
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This is a great post. Thanks for educating me.
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I have over 30. So what?
Barrycare has killed our market.
We pay a lot for a lot less. What’s the Orange alternative?
Orange has no alternative but at least you admit that Obamacare screwed small business
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Of course it did. Where all the premium increases got dumped. Small group market.
Getting rid of it though with no replacement will even be worse.
Anecdotally, we saw the opposite.
We have under 50 employees. Our insurance rates tripled (yes, 200% increase) over 10 years from 2000 to 2009.
From 2009 to 2016 it only went up another 30%.
Our experience was that the old underwriting system f'd over the little guy. It may have been that we had what insurance companies considered high risk employees. I don't know, but even if that were the case, should we encourage people to discriminate hiring based on health records?
The old situation and its increases were unbearable to us. I don't think Obamacare was a great solution, but Trump undermining it is not helping.
Our old policy covered an employee with HIV now they won’t. What happened to your deductibles?
Anything less than $5000 per individual annually sends our premiums through the roof.
Dunno yer state’s market. Ours doubled when we were literally down to one writer for the state.
Gotten a tad better as there is now a little competition.
You are right though, we had steady increases from 2000-2009, but the big burst on top of those already inflated rates came later.
you mean medicare for all won't provide the same quality as your private insurance?
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In your world, does private insurance cover 100% of medical costs?
All candidates agreed that private insurance system is inadequate in covering everyone and/or inadequate in covering the needs of those who are insured.
All candidates agreed that at a minimum, a public option is required to fill the gap and compete with private insurance. The disagreement was whether to let that option evolve and be tested in the market as the original ACA model contemplated or do the Full Monty per Warren and Sanders contemplate.
Almost all nominees want Americans to have options and choices between public vs private vs a hybrid plan.
no, it doesn't, nor should it. Everyone should have some skin in the game, and those with lifestyle
s leading to higher health costs should have to pay more. I have no problem with a public option as long as I have the ability to opt out of the program and take those dollars to my private insurance. The problem is the public option isn't really an option unless everyone pays into it. I have no issue paying into a pool for those born with a unique medical condition. I will struggle paying into a pool to cover obese, sedentary people who demand to be covered when they refuse to take care of themselves.
Very substantive debate last night. I do not watch CNN, but they did a good job with questions.
The healthcare issue conversation was robust. A true debate among well informed candidates.
Don Lemon came across as a buffoon, not surprising
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Oog make fire. He is the Hannity of the lefty media.
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The Pirates/Reds brawl was far more enthralling... and meaningful
If you doubt this, see which gets more hits on YouTube.
You're just a parody account at this point, right?
You loved the questions? Here was my favorite from Don Lemonhead: “What do you say to those Trump voters who prioritize the economy over the president's bigotry?"
Outstanding.
Here is the transcript —
Once again, your knee jerk response is to defend any mention of your Grand Wizard’s bigotry as race card politics.
You read the totality of transcript as you wish.
It was a substantive debate.
Link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1036996
As usual, a great response from you.
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I was fascinated by all of the comments by Warren and others that green energy is going to lead to
full employment, the elimination of all trade wars and smiles on the faces of everyone in the world. Who knew that consumers, countries for that matter, would line up to buy more expensive products just because we make them. It's that simple. Wow!
I pray for a Trump Warren debate. Must see TV.
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