Wonder if the EU and other media apologists will turn on China after they crush Hong Kong protests
I have been amazed that so many liberals and media types as well as Wall St executives ignore China’s persecution of religious leaders, Muslims, and journalists all in the name of money and greed. They are obsessed with Putin and Russian activities which is a third world country and give lip service to what China has been doing under Xi. Krugman and Friedman have been touting China for years how they are passing the US and critical of Trump’s tough stance. China can imprison journalist make CEO’s, religious leaders disappear and the media and corporate America don’t care. It’s so hypocritical.
Replies to: Wonder if the EU and other media apologists will turn on China after they crush Hong Kong protests
So how would suggest that the EI interfere more in their domestic affairs when you oppose doing that
everywhere else?
We are currently addressing the situation with Trump. Not like the three former Presidents
It’s economic war not troops on the ground.
Not responsive. Why should either the EU or the US comment or do anything about a domestic
Chinese matter when it’s not in any way in our interest to do so?
You've just been PBHed. Nonsense abounds and he's making insanity logical.
Can't fight that.
I feel like everyone keeps asking him to explain his posts.
And instead, he moves onto something else.
At least he's not counting the number of coal miners in Ohio.
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Yes. I hate when people do that all the time!
When it's particularly on point to a single thread several weeks ago, then I find that the whole "counting coal miners in Ohio" somewhat tolerable.
That’s quite an admission by you JimBo. Thanks.
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Stop you know better. If you don’t know why I won’t help you. Second largest economy. Please.
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Explain yourself. I want to read this.
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Wow. They stormed the HKG airport. Rioter took baton from policeman, started beating him with it.
Police pulled revolver. Hard to tell if he fired (filmed from outside), but the rioters realized they were outgunned and ran away. I didn't see any blood traces on the floor, which I would have expected if he actually fired..
Protesters waiving the American Flag. (I didn't realize the Hong Kong protestors were white supremacists.)
Link: https://twitter.com/akcay_nuri/status/1161304509068578817
The EU types have no morals
Anyway the Hong Kong protesters will eventually lose. I don’t really understand why the Commie leaders decided that now is the time to engage in this fight. Why not let Hong Kong be Hong Kong for the time being?
Their morals like ours are subjected to their interests.
For them or us to get more involved now is not in either interest and will only make the situation worse.
Agree but with social media, unlike Tiananmen Square this will be broadcast global. Big difference.
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So......it’s still neither in our or the EU’s interest to get involved with this.
Remember we need to say out of other nations’ domestic business......unless with you it’s China.
I won’t take part in your stupidity. You know the answer.
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As usual you have no cogent answer. Again, how does it serve our interests to get involved with this
right now?
Please feel free to include a discussion of the impact it would have on the tariff negotiations taking place.
for once, I’m agreeing with your Messiah.
Ok follow closely. China is a failed state. They will collapse. No freedom no commerce. Do you
understand?
So they are a failed state yet will soon overwhelm us unless we fight a trade war with them right
now?
Good grief man get a grip on yerself.
You really think an unstable China is in our interest? Neo Con.
See my response to your other enlightened friend. It’s communism you nut job. They will never
succeed. The fact that you are worried they will makes you less intelligent.
I got this, Frank L.
When PB calls China a "failed state", he is not actually talking about how they are actually doing financially, geopolitically, or sexually.
PB is using the following logic:
1. Any country that practices communism is a failed state.
2. China (sort of) practices communism.
3. Ipso fatso - China is a failed state.
What that had to do with the thread, I am not sure.
Yes I am you are arguing that China is not? Is that your position? Please give us the reasons.
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I don't understand the question.
What does "Yes I am you are arguing that China is not?" mean?
[edit] - wait. I think I have this. You are asking if I think China is a failed state because it sort of practices communism and all communist states are, by definition, failed states.
They have the second biggest economy in the world, and are probably the second most influential "state" in the world. So, no.
Guess
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I did. I think I got it.
Still not sure how we got on the "failed state" kick, but whatever.
Isn't this the best they've ever done in their, I don't know. 5000 year history?
Seriously, when were the golden years of China, before they became a failed state?
And, so? You have this idea that communism and capitalism can exist equally? Is that your theory?
That just makes you stupid. Anyone that has ever read economic theory knows that both disciplines are entirely opposite. So why would you suppose that China would be different? Please explain I’m interested.
I'm sorry, how did we get on that? I don't even understand my theory, to tell the truth.
What does it mean for communism and capitalism to "exist equally"? If you tell me what that means, then I can tell you whether I agree with it or not.
Can apples and seals exist equally?
No but tell me why, except your hatred for Trump, you would support China in any way?
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He’s not supporting China, neither am I. Ironically, enough I’m supporting Orange's
position on this one.
How am I supporting China?
What in God's green earth are you talking about?
What has the President done to speak out in support of the protests?
Do you wonder that to?
Nothing, which for once is the right play here at this time.
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II don't know.
I honestly don't. They are starting to shit on our lawn with this stuff.
But I certainly don't think "liberals and media types as well as Wall St executives" paying more or less attention means a hill of beans. I mean, why does PBHC want amped up 24/7 coverage of it, if we are not going to do anything about it.
They are shitting on their own lawn. Meddling will make it worse.
PB is PB. He’s wrong about the “Wall Street types” etc. Why would they who want stability support instability?
What good would that do?
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What good would it do for "liberals and media types as well as Wall St executives" to speak out more
And to answer your question, an escalated crisis in Hong Kong would be very bad for America. Anything that could help that might do a decent amount of "good".
So you think Trump saying “Leave Your Hong Kong Alone” would deescalate the Commies?
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Let me think about that.
No.
Would that be in the interests of the United States?
At least Trump wonders about the interests of the United States in such things. Obama seemed to act against the interests of the US, supporting protestors in secular-led Middle East nations (Libya, Egypt, Syria), but not supporting protests in Islamist-led countries (Iran).
Does he?
Do you honestly believe Trump has carefully considered the opinions and information from experienced foreign policy and intelligence personnel more than Obama? Because I get the feeling like Trump takes most of his cues from a television network with next to no experience in these fields. So is that really acting with America's best interests in mind?
Does it matter if he’s making the right play?
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Posted in the wrong place?
Ned says Trump thinks about America's best interest, and Obama did not. So are you saying it's in America's interest to wing it, so long as it turns out OK? I guess so, but who acted with America's interest, the one that studied the options and sought the advice of experts in the field, or the guy that went with what Sean Hannity thought best?
I’m saying that we know what Orange is and how he makes up his mind.
Obama was wrong plenty in the ME as well despite his vaunted process. See Libya and Egypt.
When the blind squirrel gets the nut, I’m okay with it.
This is why I usually give foreign policy a wide berth.
We don't know the universe of realistic outcomes in Libya and Egypt. We don't know if the outcome now is better than the median outcome. You've just come to the conclusion that the outcome there was a failure. Failure compared to what? Also, we don't know the probabilities of the different outcomes.
We don't know if the play was the highest probability play. The very best policy may nevertheless produce what you consider a "failure". Foreign policy is not an exact science.
So yes. Process matters. If Trump bets on rolling box cars, and Obama bets on rolling seven for the same odds, it doesn't mean Trump had our best interests in mind. It means his ego got in the way of our best interest. Even if he ends up rolling a 12 it does not change things.
I get your point.
I’m not advocating for the Orange, listen to my gut while remaining ignorant approach.
I am saying that the Obama interventionist approach had its failings and that Libya and Egypt are two clear examples. By any objective criteria, Libya is a failed militia ridden state in much worse shape than before we intervened for regime change. Egypt went from the Mubarak regime to the Muslim Brotherhood to an even more repressive military govt. And I’m not even mentioning what the Arab Spring did to Syria. In that regard, Obama’s initial instincts were non interventionist. He had his mind changed by the deliberative process with the experts.
I guess it comes down to when the village idiot is right, be happy and go with it. And, I do think he is right here.
Probably not
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Nothing. After the PLA comes in he will have to comment. But no warnings, etc. He
puts himself first and next the US interest. So no doubt the just announced progress on trade negotiations with China and the Dow up 425 is cover for a invasion into Hong Kong tomorrow. Trump is an opportunist for certain.
Agreed. Pretty incredible. China is far more important than Russia.
Meanwhile, the People's Armed Police gather in Shenzhen, next to Hong Kong, for "exercises." Should be interesting. The "armed" part of their name does not mean clubs and shields.
Non Hong Kong police are in amongst the regular Hong Kong police
The better to crack heads I guess.