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Why are there no legal consequences for employers hiring

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 6:10 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Undocumented immigrants. They are breaking the law by not requiring proper documentation. This is like busting the prostitutes and not the Johns. Stop illegal immigration by severely fining employers or make them face jail time. Let’s start with the so called President’s companies / golf courses.

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Thread Level: 2

Why not give them work permits and let them come and go? Most would actually prefer this option.

Author: Curly1918 (16474 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:08 am on Aug 18, 2019
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H2A

Author: CC72 (16793 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Aug 18, 2019
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the federal H2A program, which brings temporary workers into the US for a specified amount of time, after which they return to their country of origin.


https://www.epi.org/blog/h-2a-farm-guestworker-program-expanding-rapidly/


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For the most part we do. The current angst is over asylum seekers, not workers.

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4620 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:06 am on Aug 18, 2019
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Anyone who wants a visa to work here can typically get one. Whether that is a professional (H1-B), farm worker (H-2A), seasonal resort worker (H2-B), Exchange worker like an Au Pair (J), professional from Canada/Mexico (TN), Athlete (O), investor (E), etc. Although there is a process to go through, just about anyone who wants to work in the U.S. can do so.

Issues arise when a Visa is over stayed.


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That's what the wall is for.

Author: LehighND (7534 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:57 am on Aug 18, 2019
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To prevent people from overstaying their visa.

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Thread Level: 2

There are huge implications for employers—both civil and criminal

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4620 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Management can spend up to six months in jail. Fines are $400 to $16,000 per employee depending on the circumstances.

Any criminal prosecution of the employers comes months/years after the employee detentions. (Typically need to establish the employer knowingly hired aliens without work authorization, and that requires more time/work.)

See the recent Asplund Tree service case where they agreed to pay settle for$95 Million to avoid jail.

The link has some recent stats on enforcement.


Link: https://immigrationview.foxrothschild.com/employment-verification-compliance-including-i-9s-e-verify-and-enforcement/employers-beware-ice-is-ramping-up-i-9-audits-to-record-levels/

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Good. I am all for it.

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 11:18 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Sounds good. Will you say that you support enforcing these laws equally? Or just against Trump.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:03 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Funny that you take the typical liberal stance: Only enforce against Trump or the GOP. No one is above the law indeed. Let's see if you are really for blind justice or not.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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WTF are you talking about? ICE detains more than 600 in the work place and there

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 8:19 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Is no consequences for the employer. Trumpo and his son employ hundreds and nothing. If you and the other duplicit hypocrites want to to curtail or stop immigration then hold the employers accountable. This is not a partisan issue.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 4

I asked if you would enforce fairly, against all companies, not just Trump. Do you support that?

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:56 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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i Believe that is exactly what I said. If you want to stop prostitution

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:10 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Arrest the John’s. If you want to curtail or prevent illegal or undocumented immigrants bust the employers. If we are not doing that then it is questionable at best if we want the outcomes our rhetoric espouses. Pretty straight forward

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 6

Great. I'll put you down as opposing illegal immigration.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:25 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Most do. Do you support family separation. Kids isolated in holding cells

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:35 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Or whatever you call it. Do you support the rhetoric that makes Latinos sub-human.? Why is this administration and President who seems so against illegal immigration holding employers accountable under the law.? Do you think he would rather have immigration as a decisive issue than solve the problem?

I will put you down as supporting illegal immigration for political purposes


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Thread Level: 8

Any family exposing children to this is an abusive setting.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:56 am on Aug 18, 2019
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Whether intentional or unintentional.

Many children are not actually related to the traffickers using them to exploit liberal policy to gain entrance into our country.
Some parents are selling their children for the cash to be used as just mentioned.
Sometimes, the children and family are in horrible situations where they are trying to escape a desperate situation.
But in all cases, the children are in a dangerous situation regardless of the parental motivation or ability to protect.

Yes. I support protecting the children first regardless of how the liberal MSM spins it to their political advantage on TV and the internet.


Thread Level: 9

scooter has no consistent argument here. He didn't realize the trap he set for himself.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Aug 18, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Family separation? Like putting criminals in jail? Do you support that? I do.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:48 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Or, do you only support family separations for US citizens, but not non-citizens?

Can you give me an example of rhetoric that makes Latinos feel subhuman? I don't know what you are talking about.

You can put me down for opposing illegal immigration. I think we established that you and I agree on that, so why would you try to make it a divisive issue between us?


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 9

the Full worm is back

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:08 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Some say it never left.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 10

Why do you want to give foreign nationals more rights than US citizens?

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:41 pm on Aug 18, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Re: i Believe that is exactly what I said. If you want to stop prostitution

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:10 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
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Re: i Believe that is exactly what I said. If you want to stop prostitution

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:10 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 4

Not completely true...

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:53 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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There are fines. First offense is $250-$2,000 per illegal employee. Second offense $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee. Third offense is $3,000-$10,000 per illegal employee.

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Thread Level: 5

Just enforce it. That looks like approximately 1.2m fine for

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:07 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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The company in Mississippi that was in the news.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 6

Are you sure that nothing's being done to companies that hire illegals?

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:53 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 7

Not aware of any action being taken. Maybe there is something in the works

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 11:23 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Like mentioned in another post. Sure don’t here anyone from the Administration talking about it as part of a strategy

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 6

Agree, and they deserve every penny of that fine.

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:52 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 2

Great commentary... but the Dems need the issue to paint the Republicans as racists.

Author: Curly1918 (16474 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:53 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Politics is and has always been about identities. What's narrow sighted is that people of color will not show up for Warren, who is a shriveled up version of Hillary,

Thread Level: 3

so you are saying that Trumpo does not really want to stop

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 7:59 pm on Aug 17, 2019
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Illegal immigration. He actually embraces it t as a wedge issue to divide Americans.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
Thread Level: 4

Yes...

Author: Curly1918 (16474 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:09 am on Aug 18, 2019
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