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Add John Bolton to the list

Author: irishscooter (5453 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Hate is just the bodyguard for grief

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John Bolton is right. Trump's coddling of dictators has produced nothing

Author: NDPatrick30 (265 Posts - Joined: Aug 24, 2019)

Posted at 5:21 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Trump isn’t coddling dictators, he’s imprinting.

Author: jimbasil (40991 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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He looks up to them. Coddling? Trump doesn’t coddle unless it’s pornstar he’s paying for.

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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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How many years do you think his rule will last?

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:59 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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The apropos question is, will he press thel red button on the way out?

Author: jimbasil (40991 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:39 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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So, you think he will leave the White House of his own volition?

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:48 pm on Sep 11, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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Another sign that Iran-US talk is going to begin. The move is consistent with Trump's carrot & stick

Author: Eli (5444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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That is some serious spin there. As we all would expect.

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:20 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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What spin? We all know their stands. Trump: don't like Iran deal, don't want Iran war. Bolton:

Author: Eli (5444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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don't like Iran deal, Iran war is possible if necessary.

They shared same stand on something and disagreed on something else. It's clear to us from the very beginning.


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Why did he appoint Bolton in the first place, then, Master Strategist?

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:19 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Hiring him was the final nail in the coffin for the Iran deal then. Firing him is the final nail in

Author: Eli (5444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:03 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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the coffin for the Iran war now. Trump needed somebody who support withdrawal of Iran deal then. Trump needs somebody who support Iran talk now. It's a quality of a leader to know when and how to use his resources.

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Yes, you really have a good sense of what is going on alright.

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:08 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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3D Chess. Wouldn't expect you to understand.

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:31 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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Hmm, seems more like 4D to me, ya know........the Twilight Zone.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:01 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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It's how we got the nukes out of North Korea.

Author: LehighND (7478 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:33 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Are you kind?
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But you are good with that, I assume. Indeed, you would rather he not even try.

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:58 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Just guessing that you support Obama's approach. Or maybe give them nuclear reactors like Clinton did. Let me know if I'm wrong.

First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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A couple of things.

Author: LehighND (7478 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:13 am on Sep 11, 2019
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First, I wasn't mocking the attempt. What I was mocking was the spiking of the football that it was done, by both Trump and his worshippers. IIRC, he even suggested he should win the Nobel Prize.

Second, your question is a little complicated. I suppose all presidents "try" in one form or another. Is the question whether I am happy with his particular strategy? I don't know. He backed down on sanctions and made Kim a legitimate world leader, seemingly to reduce the tensions that Trump himself ramped up. But it's hard for me to predict how things would have turn out otherwise, or what the future will actually hold. That said, I am generally in favor communication, so I think it was probably good that he did that. I suspect that many knowledgable about these things would disagree, and not just on a "partisan" basis - There is a reason no president met with Kim before, Republican or Democrat.


Are you kind?
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A couple replies...

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:52 pm on Sep 11, 2019
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First...fair enough.

Second...do you think "strategic patience" is "trying?" Regarding sanctions, I don't see how he backed down. Aren't sanctions on N.Korea the worst ever? I agree it is hard to predict. I certainly don't have all the answers. I just figure trying something different may be a good idea when what we were trying wasn't working. No guarantee that the new strategy would work either, of course. I agree that you have to pick the time to talk. Trump may have been a good time. His election was a fractal event in POTUS history, and if it wasn't going to happen with him, it likely would not have happened successfully. Usually the most aggressive leader is the best to make an overture. A friendly leader making an overture is usually taken advantage of.


First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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One area where I think he hasn’t completely fucked it up.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:27 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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I heard the Patriots are interested

Author: Nigel Tufnel (5270 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:01 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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You can't really dust for vomit.
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Henceforth he's going by "jb". Devil is a Lie.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22628 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Second the well done.

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Well done.

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:20 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Mr Bolton, Simon & Schuster on Line 1, McMillan on Line 2, Bob Woodward on Line 3...Ring Ring Ring

Author: Iggle (6927 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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This guy will write a scorched earth memoir. You can take that to the bank.

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Bolton 2020

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:55 am on Sep 11, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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I would tend to agree. He’s also an asswipe, but it would make interesting reading.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:12 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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He seems like a total asshole.

Author: Iggle (6927 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:12 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Yet another head-scratching personnel call by Trump to hire him.

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Yeah. I wondered about that hire myself.

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:59 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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His firing is probably the one thing most on here agree on...and yet many of us are still trying to fight about it or makes points about it. Ahh, politics.

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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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Good thing we have a bidness man running the country like a well oiled machine.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:41 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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4 NSA’s in 3 years? Bolton should never have been hired. The chaos administration continues.

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You don’t get this because you never been there but the corporate culture is hard to break

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Do you think anyone of these people like Trump. We both hate the neocons they are on both sides. We should celebrate Bolton’s firing. Should have never been hired. So he’s gone that’s a good thing. Yeah it’s Trump’s fault but everything is, right.

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The corporate culture is tough to break? Orange was supposed to bring a business culture to the job.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Like everything else about him that was a complete fraud.

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He is running a chaos presidency

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:47 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Thank God Bolton is gone. But Trump hired him. And chances are he is going to hire someone only slightly less odious. We shall see.

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It’s good to have opposing points of view...to a point. This was a blunder from the start.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (10520 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:52 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Shouldn’t even have been hired.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (10520 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:32 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Nope...should've hired Michael Bolton...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22628 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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https://media.giphy.com/media/vpxsRkXfO7KDe/source.gif

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Agree a neocon out to change the world. Don’t let the door hit you on your ass on the way out

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Indeed.

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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Fired for being “too hawkish.” Who knew?

Author: conorlarkin (13470 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:25 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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The game show continues ....

They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
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"Bolton and Trump are going to get us into a war!". Who screamed about it 1 & half years ago?

Author: Eli (5444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:11 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Round up the usual suspects

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:39 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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True! If only there were signs before he was hired....

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:38 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Heh. Indeed.

Author: NedoftheHill (31287 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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And this could get ugly....

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:40 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Link: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1171457513834696704

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He likely did offer his resignation first, but Orange needs to look in charge. Such a sad excuse for

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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a leader.

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What does it matter? You didn’t like Bolton. Don’t act as if you have a vagina.

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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He’s what you and I both dislike, a neocon. Good riddance.

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He is and I’m glad he’s gone. I wish the guy who hired him was as well.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:49 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Really? Wasn’t aware.

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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It matters when the president contradicts members of his own administration.

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:34 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Which he does routinely. Yesterday it was over Bahamian refugees.

And then he blames the media and his followers lick it up.


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Trump hires people suggested by the elite and MSM. Should stay with his gut.

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:31 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Who wants more involvement in the Middle East besides the Bush crowd that wants to kill everyone and the Obama crowd because he wants to nation build. Say what you want about Trump he wants neither.

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Yes, the MSM and the "elite" really pushed Bolton on him. Good point.

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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No in this instance it was the Republican neocons and conservative media. You get a bye

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

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Always someone else’s fault.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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No absolutely not. The buck stops with him. His hires are abysmal.

Author: PBHangingChad (12294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

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Thank god. The closest thing to a war monger we've seen since Curtis Lemay.

Author: Curly1918 (6286 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:25 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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Link: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/curtis-lemay-quotes

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Word had it he and Pompeo were not talking outside of NSC meetings

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Sep 10, 2019
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And since those meetings are more rare these days, they barely talked at all.

This is still a stunner to me. And it is very bad news for the bomb-Iran crowd....and good news for the country.

Next up? Who would want that job? DonJu?


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