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Let us revisit Edward Snowden. The GOP has now clearly legitimatized Snowden’s conduct.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:53 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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At the time, many were justifiably critical of Snowden not using the whistleblower route.

This Trump whistleblower relied in good faith on the safety and confidentiality provided by US law, as did the Inspector General. Given the manner in which the GOP is suffocating this complaint, why shouldn’t any future whistleblower feel forced to take the Snowden path?


Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=245568

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

Replies to: Let us revisit Edward Snowden. The GOP has now clearly legitimatized Snowden’s conduct.


Thread Level: 2

Snowden is a hero for uncovering the illegal surveillance

Author: NDPatrick30 (265 Posts - Joined: Aug 24, 2019)

Posted at 2:14 am on Sep 24, 2019
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Thread Level: 3

Is he also a hero for selling his stolen info to the Russians?

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 am on Sep 24, 2019
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Because that's what he did.

Thread Level: 3

Which means, the recent whistleblower is not a hero because the evidence is against Trump

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:31 am on Sep 24, 2019
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Good to know.

Whistleblowers in gov't should check in with you first before they tell dirty little secrets to the American public. This way they can know
if they will be hated or celebrated in advance.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 2

I think it is time for Snowden to come home

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:49 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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...and be greeted on the tarmac by federal marshals who take him off to prison for the rest of his miserable life.

He’s not a whistle blower.


Thread Level: 2

At least Snowden was fighting the Deep State. This "whistleblower" is an agent of the Deep State.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:08 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Do we know his name yet?...the "whistleblower"? I wonder what other accusations can be hurled at Trump regarding conversations with other countries. Maybe their goal is to get him to start releasing transcripts of all private conversations to prove his side.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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He was fighting the deep state by outing and causing the deaths of Americans? You people are off the

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:24 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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chain.

You also have no idea who the person is or their motives.


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Who died?

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:27 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

Doubt their names have been revealed, but he placed lives at risk.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:37 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Even your pal Flynn thinks he has cost American lives or at least he did.

Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/snowdens-cache-of-secrets-likely-means-life-or-death-for-several-people-2013-11

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I'm for the rule of law for both, but Snowden at least has a noble cause.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:39 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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We know now that the IC was violating US law. If he had filed an IG complaint, it would have gone nowhere (not even to Congress).

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 7

In your twisted mind maybe. Selling out your country to its enemies isn’t noble.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:41 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Then again being an Orange supporter prolly gives a different perspective on such things.

Me, I’m glad we have people looking out for us even if there are abuses. I guess 9/11 left me with that.


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I agree that selling out your country to its enemies isn't noble.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:43 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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But, that comment is funny coming from you, a person who pushes the Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory which only benefits Putin.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 9

That’s what he did. Whatevs. You guys are all nuts.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:44 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Thread Level: 10

Funny coming from you. :-)

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:45 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 11

I may be but that guy is a fuckin traitor who immeasurably hurt this nation.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:48 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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It’s disgusting to try to excuse him based on noble motive. Fuck him. I hope a contractor puts a bullet right into his skull which is actually too good for him.

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I don't know what he did other than expose the illegal monitoring of US citizens.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:49 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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If he did anything other than that, then I condemn it, and I hope he is punished.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 13

Maybe you should read up on it before espousing his noble motives.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:51 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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He did much more than that.

Thread Level: 14

I wasn't commenting on the other stuff. I was only commenting on the good thing he did.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:52 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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What other stuff did he do? Maybe you should know a few of those things before posting about them.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 15

The other stuff went hand in hand with it.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:54 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Thread Level: 16

Don't know what you mean by hand in hand, but regardless, I wasn't commenting on the other stuff.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:02 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 17

Of course you weren’t. You were trying to justify a traitor. I’m done with this.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:23 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Thread Level: 18

I think we reached the point of diminishing returns some time ago.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:32 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 3

Keep kidding yourself that you believe in the rule of law.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:24 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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The whistleblower’s identity is protected by US law.

His complaint should have already been received by Congress.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

Funny coming from you. You argue to undermine the rule of law far more than I ever have.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:29 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

You think providing excuses for Snowden is upholding the rule of law?

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:39 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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No. But, supporting a coup & supporting a million immigration law violations per year is worse.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:42 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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That's why the rule of law nonsense coming out of conor's mouth is funny.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 7

So now you are back to Build the Wall. Always a safe place for you.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:57 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Let us know when you want to acknowledge the rule of law re the whistleblower statute.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 8

How about marijuana...should the feds enforce the law? Or, are some people above the law?

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:08 am on Sep 24, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 8

Now you are going to argue against the rule of law?...a million times a year? Predictable.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:03 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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I'm willing to put Snowden in jail. Are you willing to support the rule of law like me? Of course not. You are a hypocrite.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 9

Here is the relevant law relevant to this thread —

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Now, talk some more smack re immigration enforcement.

Link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 10

Yes, thanks. I think everyone understands what is going on.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:19 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Who do you think is guilty of that law, by the way? I asked before, but perhaps you didn't see my question, because you didn't answer.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 11

It is not a criminal statute. “Guilt” is not applicable.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:30 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 12

No high crimes or misdemeanors? That is interesting.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:32 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 13

I am talking about the statute. You are talking about the substance of the complaint.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:46 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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We don’t know what the complaint says. By law, we are supposed to be privy to it.

But, assuming the process works consistent with the statute, and assuming Trump pushed a foreign leader to investigate/prosecute Biden, then yes, that is an offense that would justify impeachment. Even worse if Trump tired to squeeze Ukraine with Congressional approved military aid.


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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 14

I was talking about what you said: no criminal violation.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:13 am on Sep 24, 2019
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Of course, I know you will try to prove Hibakusha correct by pushing impeachment in the absence of violations. That goes without saying. You don't like our democratic republican form of government when you lose. We all get that.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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No different than it coming out of yours.

Author: Frank L (64679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:43 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Thread Level: 3

A Trump talking point being fronted once again. Fake News, it's rigged, Fake News

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:16 pm on Sep 23, 2019
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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