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Let us revisit Edward Snowden. The GOP has now clearly legitimatized Snowden’s conduct.

conorlarkin 23139 posts Original UHND Member

Posted9:53 pm on Sep 23, 2019

At the time, many were justifiably critical of Snowden not using the whistleblower route.

This Trump whistleblower relied in good faith on the safety and confidentiality provided by US law, as did the Inspector General. Given the manner in which the GOP is suffocating this complaint, why shouldn’t any future whistleblower feel forced to take the Snowden path?

Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=245568

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Snowden is a hero for uncovering the illegal surveillance

NDPatrick30 265 posts 2:14 am on Sep 24, 2019

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  Is he also a hero for selling his stolen info to the Russians?
  
  Chris94 39147 posts 11:00 am on Sep 24, 2019
  
  Because that's what he did.
  
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  Which means, the recent whistleblower is not a hero because the evidence is against Trump
  
  jimbasil 55027 posts 2:31 am on Sep 24, 2019
  
  Good to know.
  
  Whistleblowers in gov't should check in with you first before they tell dirty little secrets to the American public. This way they can know
  if they will be hated or celebrated in advance.
  
  Jack, he is a banker
  and Jane, she is a clerk
  
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I think it is time for Snowden to come home

Chris94 39147 posts 10:49 pm on Sep 23, 2019

...and be greeted on the tarmac by federal marshals who take him off to prison for the rest of his miserable life.

He’s not a whistle blower.

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At least Snowden was fighting the Deep State. This "whistleblower" is an agent of the Deep State.

NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:08 pm on Sep 23, 2019

Do we know his name yet?...the "whistleblower"? I wonder what other accusations can be hurled at Trump regarding conversations with other countries. Maybe their goal is to get him to start releasing transcripts of all private conversations to prove his side.
Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

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  He was fighting the deep state by outing and causing the deaths of Americans? You people are off the
  
  Frank L 64990 posts 10:24 pm on Sep 23, 2019
  
  chain.
  
  You also have no idea who the person is or their motives.
  
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    Who died?
    
    NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:27 pm on Sep 23, 2019
    
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    Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
    
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      Doubt their names have been revealed, but he placed lives at risk.
      
      Frank L 64990 posts 10:37 pm on Sep 23, 2019
      
      Even your pal Flynn thinks he has cost American lives or at least he did.
      Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/snowdens-cache-of-secrets-likely-means-life-or-death-for-several-people-2013-11
      
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        I'm for the rule of law for both, but Snowden at least has a noble cause.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:39 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        We know now that the IC was violating US law. If he had filed an IG complaint, it would have gone nowhere (not even to Congress).
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        In your twisted mind maybe. Selling out your country to its enemies isn’t noble.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:41 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        Then again being an Orange supporter prolly gives a different perspective on such things.
        
        Me, I’m glad we have people looking out for us even if there are abuses. I guess 9/11 left me with that.
        
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        I agree that selling out your country to its enemies isn't noble.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:43 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        But, that comment is funny coming from you, a person who pushes the Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory which only benefits Putin.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        That’s what he did. Whatevs. You guys are all nuts.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:44 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Funny coming from you. :-)
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:45 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        I may be but that guy is a fuckin traitor who immeasurably hurt this nation.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:48 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        It’s disgusting to try to excuse him based on noble motive. Fuck him. I hope a contractor puts a bullet right into his skull which is actually too good for him.
        
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        I don't know what he did other than expose the illegal monitoring of US citizens.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:49 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        If he did anything other than that, then I condemn it, and I hope he is punished.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        Maybe you should read up on it before espousing his noble motives.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:51 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        He did much more than that.
        
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        I wasn't commenting on the other stuff. I was only commenting on the good thing he did.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:52 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        What other stuff did he do? Maybe you should know a few of those things before posting about them.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        The other stuff went hand in hand with it.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:54 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Don't know what you mean by hand in hand, but regardless, I wasn't commenting on the other stuff.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 11:02 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        Of course you weren’t. You were trying to justify a traitor. I’m done with this.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 11:23 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        I think we reached the point of diminishing returns some time ago.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 11:32 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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  Keep kidding yourself that you believe in the rule of law.
  
  conorlarkin OP23139 posts 10:24 pm on Sep 23, 2019
  
  The whistleblower’s identity is protected by US law.
  
  His complaint should have already been received by Congress.
  
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    Funny coming from you. You argue to undermine the rule of law far more than I ever have.
    
    NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:29 pm on Sep 23, 2019
    
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    Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
    
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      You think providing excuses for Snowden is upholding the rule of law?
      
      Frank L 64990 posts 10:39 pm on Sep 23, 2019
      
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        No. But, supporting a coup & supporting a million immigration law violations per year is worse.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 10:42 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        That's why the rule of law nonsense coming out of conor's mouth is funny.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        So now you are back to Build the Wall. Always a safe place for you.
        
        conorlarkin OP23139 posts 10:57 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        Let us know when you want to acknowledge the rule of law re the whistleblower statute.
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        How about marijuana...should the feds enforce the law? Or, are some people above the law?
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 9:08 am on Sep 24, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        Now you are going to argue against the rule of law?...a million times a year? Predictable.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 11:03 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        I'm willing to put Snowden in jail. Are you willing to support the rule of law like me? Of course not. You are a hypocrite.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        Here is the relevant law relevant to this thread —
        
        conorlarkin OP23139 posts 11:16 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        Now, talk some more smack re immigration enforcement.
        Link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033
        
        The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
        
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        Yes, thanks. I think everyone understands what is going on.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 11:19 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        Who do you think is guilty of that law, by the way? I asked before, but perhaps you didn't see my question, because you didn't answer.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        It is not a criminal statute. “Guilt” is not applicable.
        
        conorlarkin OP23139 posts 11:30 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        No high crimes or misdemeanors? That is interesting.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 11:32 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        I am talking about the statute. You are talking about the substance of the complaint.
        
        conorlarkin OP23139 posts 11:46 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
        We don’t know what the complaint says. By law, we are supposed to be privy to it.
        
        But, assuming the process works consistent with the statute, and assuming Trump pushed a foreign leader to investigate/prosecute Biden, then yes, that is an offense that would justify impeachment. Even worse if Trump tired to squeeze Ukraine with Congressional approved military aid.
        
        The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
        
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        I was talking about what you said: no criminal violation.
        
        NedoftheHill 47375 posts 12:13 am on Sep 24, 2019
        
        Of course, I know you will try to prove Hibakusha correct by pushing impeachment in the absence of violations. That goes without saying. You don't like our democratic republican form of government when you lose. We all get that.
        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        No different than it coming out of yours.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:43 pm on Sep 23, 2019
        
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  A Trump talking point being fronted once again. Fake News, it's rigged, Fake News
  
  jimbasil 55027 posts 10:16 pm on Sep 23, 2019
  
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  Jack, he is a banker
  and Jane, she is a clerk
  
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