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Transphobia in Ivy League, not surprising: 'We're uncomfortable in our own locker room.' Lia Thomas'

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:48 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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UPenn teammate tells how the trans swimmer doesn't always cover up her male genitals when changing and their concerns go ignored by their coach

Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html

Replies to: Transphobia in Ivy League, not surprising: 'We're uncomfortable in our own locker room.' Lia Thomas'


Thread Level: 2

The most fanatical transphobia is in the gay community.

Author: Curly1918 (16477 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:24 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Thoughts?

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If you want to be homophobic call yourself a trans right activist.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 9:50 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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If you want to be racist call yourself anti-racist.
If you want to commit violence toward police call yourself anti-fascist.


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Can we quit calling him "her"?

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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I cannot believe in 2022 we must pretend a seriously ill man is a woman in order to cater to his mental illness. And that's actually probably the greater mental illness.

Thread Level: 3

This is the post of the week. It's sad how far

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:58 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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we have fallen as a society. These people are freaks and deserve to be treated as such, not some God damn trailblazer

Thread Level: 4

Chris is going to demand you be banned for transphobia

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:10 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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iel needs to find other common ground with teammates. I’m surprised there

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:45 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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aren’t transitioning requirements in the NCAA rule book that would help alleviate the stress in places like a locker room.

iel needs to be a lot smarter on this if iel wishes to change minds and attitudes. This isn’t all on the straight community, it’s on iel too.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

New pronoun of the month calendar Jim?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 8:24 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Good lord.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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It’s the all inclusive pronoun in French. il and elle combined to iel.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:32 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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A new pronoun. Easy to use and doesn’t conflict with our established pronouns.

Gotta hand it to the French on this one.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Oh I am aware. You seem to be a big fan of its usage.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 11:43 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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What I'm not a big fan of, using established pronouns in the English language being hijacked

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:04 am on Jan 29, 2022
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to mean something else. So, if the French have a new word and it fits the issue, I'm not going to hide from it or
deny it's a better option than despising the trans, non-binary and LGTBQ community for creating a cluster fuck
of everyday language. "iel" fits the cause and it's a darned good fit.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Well it's ridiculous. As are most things associated with the "trans" community.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 10:40 am on Jan 29, 2022
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But that's not my observation. You have a tendency to latch onto phrases and use them A LOT. Apropos of nothing was a big favorite of yours for awhile. So too was Fifth Column.

I just found it sorta funny.


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
Thread Level: 8

Your observations have been traditionally incorrect as usual, you make absolutisms again.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:06 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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Something that is on the pathetic side of things. But you seem to be okay with that.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 9

So you didn't overuse apropos of nothing and fifth column repeatedly recently?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:39 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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And now this new pronoun. That's absolutely correct. And was really all I was commenting on.

And I don't know if absolutism is correct. Nor do I agree that it's necessarily pathetic. But better to have a moral compass than simply gliding with the trade winds. A foundation-less life seems to be fraught with danger. Just my opinion. If it works for you, great.


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
Thread Level: 10

When you find a moral compass you will be a democrat.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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I don’t suppose you’ll find it in the near future. It usually involves honesty.

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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Pffft. I'm the most honest person you know. I think that's what annoys you.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 1:14 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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I love you enough to tell you the truth. And you despise me for it!

And I'm no republican bub!


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
Thread Level: 12

Yeah, that must it.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:37 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 13

Sometimes it hurts to grow.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 6:36 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
Thread Level: 3

I didn't realize this was a problem in the Interscholastic Equestrian League as well.

Author: NedoftheHill (44720 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:15 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

Didn't know iel was having probs. In fact I didnt

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:35 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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even what iel was. Now I know, but I still don't know, much less care

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Thread Level: 5

You say that now, but one day you may want compete in girls sports, think long term

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:48 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Thread Level: 6

I might be a contender

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:32 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Im planning on playing 10 year old girls softball so i know i will be a contender, commitment is key

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:42 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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I honestly don't know the ideal solution to include these people in sports.

Author: jakers (13911 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:13 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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On one hand, I hate the idea of telling anyone that they're not allowed to participate. Many of this subset of the population are already prone to manic depression and self-harm tendencies.

But I do know that it isn't fair to force women to compete against biological males. They stand about a 1% chance of winning, at best. Even the Olympic standard of requiring the testosterone levels to be below a certain threshold doesn't remotely cover it. From the womb forward, males are exposed to testosterone that females simply aren't. Requiring them to be suppressed on competition day does nothing to eliminate the advantage. They will always have a massive, massive physical edge.

Maybe another division needs to be created. I don't know.


Thread Level: 4

There are complexities as it stands now. Rules for one organization

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:06 am on Jan 29, 2022
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that don’t conform to another’s.

Frankly, the trans, non-binary and LGBTQ have been less than generous at times and far too combative for a smooth transition into this new realm of modern life. There has been real productive dialogue. Much of what happens is too quick for standard norms to change easily.

We The straight community haven’t done well either and have through all of human history been negligent and insensitive to our gay brother’s and sisters. Truly shameful indeed. So it’s understandable at this time they should be combative.

Even still, there needs to a better way than through edicts mandates and arbitrary laws. First though we the straight community need to unconditionally recognize all of our neighbors for who they are.


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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 5

" WE" don't have to do anything,

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:13 pm on Jan 29, 2022
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WTF is wrong with you, and "they" should not expect us to accept or bend to their small minded and small numbered take on social norms. You are a very strange and troubled whatever you identify as

Thread Level: 4

Simple. If you were born with a penis you compete in male sports

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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If you were born a hermaphrodite, it's far more complicated, I understand that.

You know what the best outcome here is? For this swimmer to say it was all a joke in the end. Because if he says that, it will almost certainly put an end to this crap.


Thread Level: 4

The solution is to have the less than .02 % of the

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:46 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Population bitching about this to Man up or Shut up.

Thread Level: 4

Separate league may be the best answer. Or, maybe the rule should be to "play up."

Author: NedoftheHill (44720 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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We let younger people play up. Maybe the women could swim with the men if they want, but the men shouldn't swim with the women?

I don't think drugs should factor into it. If the reproductive organs are present, then the person is in sport what they are in biology. If the person has a true disorder (e.g., born with extra chromosomes), then perhaps a ruling by a medical body can be made as to the true sex. But, that is so rare, it will likely not present a problem.

That way, grown adults don't have to walk around pretending that someone else's fantasy is their own reality. We indulge children when they don't perceive reality correctly, but we don't reinforce them, and we don't require adults to indulge other adults whose mental perception does not match reality (in this case, biological reality)...at least, we didn't used to do that.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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This is so freaking weird.

Author: Iggle (12628 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Outrageous that it is encouraged by college administrators and the NCAA. Insanity.

Thread Level: 3

Or the perfect plan. Some dude gets to be in the ladies locker room. And no one can say a word!

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 3:48 pm on Jan 28, 2022
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Genius. I myself feel like a member of the Womens Swedish National soccer team! Put me in coach! Where's the sauna?

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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