What's really weird is that Fox have the most viewers and these folks suffer from the lowest degree of TDS.
Link: https://www.thewrap.com/trump-impeachment-trial-ratings-fox-news-wins/
I really felt it was more worthwhile discussing this milestone event rather that yet another Congressional fund raising scheme. I can actually see them all gathered together to script and laugh about how they will trade barbs... like a Vince McMahon production.
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And will that be considered racist in 10 years?
think he should be removed.
Contrast that to the GOP witch hunt against Slick where they could never get more than 30% to say this.
And the country was much different then, like all Republicans voted for the same impeachment procedures with Clinton in ‘98. You only see Republican partisans.
Perjury about blow jobs was, in my opinion, not. Reasonable people could disagree about that.
What Trump did is a pure example of corruption - of using public office for personal gain - which is a "high crime," or one only possible for the president to commit. A crime against the state.
I worry about what impeachment will do to the already unhealthy state of our politics. But there should be no doubt that Trump is guilty-as-charged.
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But if you think the case is not proven, then let Bolton testify. He and Mulvaney would clear it all up.
Like most innocent people, the president wants no witnesses to testify and will release no evidence.
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Just beat him in eight months. Impeachment shouldn’t be trivial. Because what goes around comes around.
for private political gain is much worse
Are you now saying the public is stupid ?
There is the law and the Constitution.
There is fairness.
There is raw exercise of political power for political gain.
We are only seeing the third line above in all of this. The first two lines are in play only as levers to achieve the third line; they are not in play as goals by anyone involved. People act like that is not true, because that act allows them to use the law and fairness levers more efficiently, not because law and fairness are their goals.
If there is evidence of corrupt motive on the part of Biden, then the DOJ should have been tasked to investigate, and then get what they need from the foreign govt. Your problem is that there is no such evidence, and the reason the last admin wanted this guy fired was due to his own corruption. Also, if Biden did do something wrong, why wasn’t it a DOJ issue before he became a prez candidate? What people see as removable is the the prez using foreign aid as blackmail to get a foreign govt to announce an investigation of a political rival as a smear. That’s what happened here. All but the politically Orange toadies see that.
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Lalalalala.
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If we're honest you had to create that phrase.
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They get per diems of $25-$40k per year. No one gets $50k per month. Since the Ukraine has a history of corruption if Joe Biden wasn’t running for President would we be here. Highly doubtful. Why can’t you and the D’s admit that you hate Trump, don’t want him as President and support any measure to remove him. The Bidens learned very well from the Clintons how to take advantage of their positions to make money.
He has every right to make an issue out of Hunter. Biden. Said that before. Have at it.
What he doesn’t have the right to do is shake down a foreign govt to help smear his rival by announcing an investigation. If it is DOJ worthy, there are channels for them to get help from foreign govts. If not, he has no bidness sticking his nose into it.
governments? Let’s talk to the Latin Americans about that. So your Orange Man held up funding for weapons that Obama wouldn’t give them. Yeah that’s worse than trying to overthrow or kill a foreign leader. Don’t be a child.
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conscience with Trump as President. Interesting. Just makes my case.
sooo, let me ask AGAIN honestly if Hills or Barry did this would you be saying the same things? I would.
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Before this became an issue support for impeachment was in the thirty’s, about where it was for slick.
After this came to light it jumped significantly to where it is now.
Impeachment support for Clinton never moved after the Lewinsky scandal became an impeachment issue.
This is obviously a more serious issue.
Immigration or rising debt. But some don’t care what the people want or need and are only concerned with their tribal issues. Trump won’t be removed. So are you happy with our elected officials wasting their time in this BS. Just like Clinton. Only the partisans are pushing this and their media partners. A total waste of time for Clinton and Trump. You can dive into the weeds about how the Trump people are worse. But at the end of the day the results are the same.
I will say it for the umpteeth time; if Hills or Barry did this, you guys would be screaming for impeachment as the most important issue. Not one of you has denied it.
when they fostered the death of the Libyan President with their bombing campaign. A President who voluntarily gave up his WMD’s. Instead we have her royal highness brag about killing him. Did you post then? I doubt it. Did I call for Barry’s impeachment? No. So I don’t have to tell you I would condemn Barry for this. I didn’t then and wouldn’t now. You can’t do that because you hate Trump that much.
By the way, Barry didn’t kill Kahdaffi. His own people did. What he did was stop Kahdaffi killing his own people from the air. They then killed him. It was a bad policy choice but nothing like this for personal gain.
And I used Libya as an example. So you raise semantics. If we didn’t bomb the shit out of Libya the rebels would have been put down. There was no act of war requested from congress. There was a determination by both Barry and Hills to force regime change. Is that an impeachable offense? But a phone call is. Did anyone die in Ukraine? Is the President of Ukraine alive? Did they get their weapons? So Trump is worse than what Barry did. OK. By the way. How are things working out in Libya?
You can’t use the office for private gain.
You may not vote to impeach, but I doubt you would be defending it like you are here. I also doubt that you wouldn’t be stridently criticizing the prez.
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Check out the sentiments of 18 -29 year olds, many of whom will be first time voters.
Check out the educated vs non-educated voters.
Link: https://www.people-press.org/2020/01/22/by-a-narrow-margin-americans-say-senate-trial-should-result-in-trumps-removal/
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Their highly educated and paid leaders still support the Dems but their members voted for Trump. Amazing there are no stupid minorities in this country only whites. Interesting.
the case is a sham, a scam, a hoax, and a basic affront to the Constitution Ive tuned out to, and I usually thrive on such drama drama this isn't, boring, repetitive, redundant..and bad bad people like shiff and Nadler who are destroying the DEMS, now and in future