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UHND is a fascinating petri dish of attitudes toward the virus.

Author: Hibakusha (4668 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Author: TakethetrainKnute (33500 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:38 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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This is true - it’s a cross-section of public opinion

Author: Chris94 (36782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:07 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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And, because a high percentage of posters are graduates of elite universities, the tone and substance is certainly smarter, in general, than that of the public at large.

Think about that.


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I think the opposite is true.

Author: iairishcheeks (27313 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:30 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Wisdom is gained through struggle, not something that graduates of elite universities are often exposed to.

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Wisdom and common sense are equally distributed in society.

Author: Chris94 (36782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:30 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Intelligence, though, is not.

Think of your high school. The smart people went to college.


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When I am seeking wisdom, I go to a local bar where a bunch of Vietnam vets hang out.

Author: iairishcheeks (27313 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:24 am on Mar 22, 2020
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Not a single one of them went to college.

Knowledge is not wisdom, you can read a book to gain knowledge, wisdom is earned through experience, typically adverse experience.


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Shit I can give you that wisdom right here on this board, what do you want to know?

Author: Irish 64 (2762 Posts - Joined: Nov 2, 2018)

Posted at 11:23 am on Mar 22, 2020
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Unless of course you believe going to ND detracts from that wisdom, LOL.

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How is intelligence distributed, Chris?

Author: MAS (21493 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:35 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Since you broached the subject, how is it distributed in society? How about in terms of gender and race?

BTW, you can dispense witih the obligatory name-calling and just answer the question.


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I know you think that certain groups are stupider than others

Author: Chris94 (36782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:27 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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My point was that education level and intelligence are correlated. Not perfectly, but strongly.

Smarter people tend to go to college in higher numbers than less smart ones.

The same does not go for common sense, or cleverness, or basic wisdom. Those are different from intelligence.


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Ya know what else is strongly correlated to intelligence?

Author: iairishcheeks (27313 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:47 am on Mar 22, 2020
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Neurological disorders.

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And I know that you know that intelligence is not distributed equally among groups.

Author: MAS (21493 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:47 am on Mar 22, 2020
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I also know how uncomfortable it is to acknowledge this. I even know that simple acknowledgement of this would conceivably get you fired or at least leave you persona non grata in your line of work. Let that sink in for a moment. Sort of like acknowledging that there are only two genders could conceivably result in similar consequences. It's a strange world, isn't it? I know you try to play these things off as right-wing boogeymen and hyperbole, but you and I both understand that if you stated on campus that the mean IQ for Asians differs quite bit from the mean IQ for blacks, or that gender is synonymous with sex, and there are only two genders, you'd be met with great hostility and calls for your termination. End of story, all feigning of ignorance aside.

Your point about the correlation between intelligence and education is correct, of course. What I think you have wrong is the apparent assumption that the rhetoric that bothers you the most emanates from lesser-educated folks in the opposing camp, the Deplorables. I think the people who hatch and generally disseminate the talking points and rhetoric that bother you most are counterparts in the rival tribe who are mostly college-educated. Many with college educations from prestigious universities.


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Just say what groups you think are dumb. Go ahead, intellectual.

Author: Chris94 (36782 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 am on Mar 22, 2020
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And no, I don’t agree with you or the Murray pseudoscience.

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You've probably never read The Bell Curve and couldn't explain any methodological errors in it.

Author: MAS (21493 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Mar 22, 2020
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You start with the article of faith that he must be wrong and there cannot be unequal distributions of intelligence across different racial groups and between the genders. Then you hear or read others call it "pseudoscience" and repeat what you have been told. And you're an academic. Do you label your colleagues who believe in "unconscious bias" as believers in pseudoscience? It's exactly that and there are now numerous studies demonstrating this. How about your colleagues who believe there are more than two genders? Pseudoscientists?

This is a an actual example of cognitive dissonance: "Intelligence is not distributed equally." Next breath: "Intelligence is distributed equally across immutable categories of people."

The thing is that the more that people like you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the reality, the more you stoke the fires for the racists that you claim to revile. If you instead offered something intelligent and sober, like: "Yes, there are variations in IQ distribution between racial groups, but there are greater variations among individuals, and, regardless, IQ differences don't render one group 'inferior' in their humanity and ultimate worth than any other group," you would disarm much of the venom from that side. Instead, when you deny something as obvious as the observation that Asians tend to be blessed with more intelligence than other racial groups, which probably explains their overrepresentation in elite universities and more rigorous majors, despite historical discrimination, people on the opposite pole dig in their heels even more and become more strident and hyperbolic in their claims of biological determinism.


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Heh, ask Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson about that...

Author: iairishcheeks (27313 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:51 am on Mar 22, 2020
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Those who seek to squash any discussion of the subject do have a legitimate point in one respect:

Author: MAS (21493 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:06 pm on Mar 22, 2020
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the idea that discussion of this issue is potentially dangerous, given the history of actual pseudoscience related to race, used as a means of discrimination and oppression. The problem is that by suppressing any discussion, it breeds the very people who would offer up racial pseudoscience. No group in society is more important in articulating the nuances of this issue than academics and, unfortunately, they are just about the most strident, hysterical, and least-nuanced in addressing it.

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That's a Debbie Downer! But, yeah. Figures,

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:25 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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More like a cesspool.

Author: ucandoit (2647 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:49 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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It is endless liberal blather and drivel

Author: NDQueens (517 Posts - Joined: Feb 25, 2020)

Posted at 2:25 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Of course it is - Fake News all day every day.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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My germs are growing!

Author: golfkrzy (3284 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Indeed.

Author: NedoftheHill (44720 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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CDC was hiring quarantine managers as early as November 2019

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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I think you're thinking of the wrong Petrie Dish - You have the wrong baby.

Author: jimbasil (52689 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
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Thanks, I thought they never had sex, apparently I was wrong again.

Author: Hibakusha (4668 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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Richie was actually Jerry Helper's son, not Rob's. They cleared this up in the series finale.

Author: MAS (21493 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Mar 21, 2020
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They also revealed Laura turned tricks while moonlighting as a USO performer.

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