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Imperial College forecaster provides an update

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:30 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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He originally predicted up to 500K dead in the UK. Now he says he's looking at 20K or less. His study was used extensively by nations as they prepared their response, including our own.

Whoops, sorry I just fucked the global economy. Never mind.


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'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer

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Dr Brix explained this in presser today & is reason that low impact areas may be taken off restricit

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:51 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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ion.

The CDC is awaiting the results of testing in our country which we should have in a week or so, but either the model made overly aggressively bad assumptions of it's transmission, or there are a butt load of undiagnoses but asymptomatic people out there. Given that Abbot just completed a rapid test (in 2 weeks time which previously would have taken 2 years), and it is being shipped, we will know very shortly.


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Any chance he graduated from the University of East Anglia?

Author: iairishcheeks (27110 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:56 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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See my link in the thread below

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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Expert consensus in the US is that COVID-19 will cause 246,000 deaths here this year.

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Ah yes, the 'experts'. What would we do without them?

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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Science by consensus again?

Author: iairishcheeks (27110 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.

In addition, let me remind you that the track record of the consensus is nothing to be proud of. Let’s review a few cases.In past centuries, the greatest killer of women was fever following childbirth. One woman in six died of this fever. In 1795, Alexander Gordon of Aberdeen suggested that the fevers were infectious processes, and he was able to cure them. The consensus said no.

In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious, and presented compelling evidence. The consensus said no.

In 1849, Semmelweiss demonstrated that sanitary techniques virtually eliminated puerperal fever in hospitals under his management. The consensus said he was a Jew, ignored him, and dismissed him from his post. There was in fact no agreement on puerperal fever until the start of the twentieth century. Thus the consensus took one hundred and twenty five years to arrive at the right conclusion despite the efforts of the prominent “skeptics” around the world, skeptics who were demeaned and ignored. And despite the constant ongoing deaths of women.

There is no shortage of other examples. In the 1920s in America, tens of thousands of people, mostly poor, were dying of a disease called pellagra. The consensus of scientists said it was infectious, and what was necessary was to find the “pellagra germ.” The US government asked a brilliant young investigator, Dr. Joseph Goldberger, to find the cause. Goldberger concluded that diet was the crucial factor. The consensus remained wedded to the germ theory.

Goldberger demonstrated that he could induce the disease through diet. He demonstrated that the disease was not infectious by injecting the blood of a pellagra patient into himself, and his assistant. They and other volunteers swabbed their noses with swabs from pellagra patients, and swallowed capsules containing scabs from pellagra rashes in what were called “Goldberger’s filth parties.” Nobody contracted pellagra.

The consensus continued to disagree with him. There was, in addition, a social factor-southern States disliked the idea of poor diet as the cause, because it meant that social reform was required. They continued to deny it until the 1920s. Result-despite a twentieth century epidemic, the consensus took years to see the light.

Probably every schoolchild notices that South America and Africa seem to fit together rather snugly, and Alfred Wegener proposed, in 1912, that the continents had in fact drifted apart. The consensus sneered at continental drift for fifty years. The theory was most vigorously denied by the great names of geology-until 1961, when it began to seem as if the sea floors were spreading. The result: it took the consensus fifty years to acknowledge what any schoolchild sees.

And shall we go on? The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, margarine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy. The list of consensus errors goes on and on.

Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.

- Michael Crichton, Aliens Cause Global Warming.


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"swallowed capsules containing scabs from pellagra rashes"

Author: Rooney (5915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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That right there has the makings of a Monty Python sketch. Or a Jackass bit.

Brilliant.


"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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Thinking of throwing a Goldberg filth party?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33491 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 am on Mar 27, 2020
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I wouldn’t put it past you.

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Great read. I recently read an article about Semmelweis. (Seriously, what are the odds of that?)

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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The article is just a piece of the story told by Creighton. Semmelweis tried to get his doctors to wash their hands after dissecting cadavers and before delivering babies...initially they refused this outlandish idea, but when he finally convinced them to do so, they started having survival rates that matched the midwives in the hospital. Of course, he was drummed out of the medical field, and it took another 50 years for doctors to start washing their hands.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You'll probably also like this quote.

Author: iairishcheeks (27110 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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The notion of a monolithic “science,” meaning what scientists say, is pernicious and the notion of “scientific consensus” actively so. The route to knowledge is transparency in disagreement and openness in debate. The route to truth is the pluralist expression of conflicting views in which, often not as quickly as we might like, good ideas drive out bad. There is no room in this process for any notion of “scientific consensus.”
- John Kay, Science is the pursuit of truth, not consensus


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Good stuff.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:56 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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This is a fast-moving situation cheeks

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:13 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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Of course there is no absolute certainty on this...not yet. But my link is to a survey of people more qualified than anyone on this board to have an opinion.

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Of course.

Author: iairishcheeks (27110 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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Here's a link for you, there are 2 invisible threats that need to be balanced. Social distancing is the right call right now, but at a certain point economic effects (which will also cause pain, suffering and death) will need to be measured against the threat of the virus.

Link: https://www.ftportfolios.com/Blogs/EconBlog/2020/3/24/two-invisible-threats

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And the time for that discussion is when new cases per day are going down, not up

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 7:56 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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Agree in principle.

Author: iairishcheeks (27110 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:04 am on Mar 27, 2020
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The lack of testing early on makes it seem like it is growing faster than it actually is though.

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Bingo.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:52 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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"I knew I shoulda made that left turn at Albuquerque."

Author: jakers (13883 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Mar 26, 2020
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