Nobel Lauriate Dies but not before calling out Fauci for 'decades of lies'
Fauci should never have put himself in the limelight.
Link: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/02/nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier-departs-lloyd-billingsley/
Replies to: Nobel Lauriate Dies but not before calling out Fauci for 'decades of lies'
M. Montagnier never could let go of his Nobel battle with Robert Gallo for the discovery of
HIV...or Dr. Fauci's support for Gallo...more recently, M. Montagnier opposed Dr. Fauci during the COVID-19 pandemic..as this excerpt from his Wiki page demonstrates...btw, go to the citations to get a fuller understanding.
"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Montagnier promoted the conspiracy theory that SARS-CoV-2, the causative virus, was deliberately created and escaped from a laboratory. Such a claim has been rejected by other virologists.[6][7][8][9] He has been criticised by other academics for using his Nobel prize status to "spread dangerous health messages outside his field of knowledge".[10]"
As for the book's author, RFK Jr....he has his own set of "Issues".
I'm sure Dr. Fauci is not losing any sleep over the accusations from RFK Jr...M. Montagnier...nor Dr. BVZ
Link: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442769
The lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory.
Why would you label it as such?
I explained why to Knute...in short, I agree with the way M. Montagnier's peers phrased it.
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Well...you "Tysplained"...anyway.
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Hey, you are entitled to...in fact you should...challenge whatever I posted if you don't agree...
go for it...what's your rejoinder?
Of course it isn't. To suggest that it is is nonsense.
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To assert that COVID-19..."..was deliberately created..." without any evidence is the definition of
a conspiracy theory...no one knows for sure how the pathogen originated and at this time the "Lab Leak Theory" is just that...a theory, among others. No respected scientist would make such an assertion.
btw, those were the words of others...I just cut and pasted them...but I do agree with them.
Sadly, M. Montagnier had his 15 minutes of fame, but he ended up a "pariah" for many reasons...this is but one of them....check out his theories regarding "water".
Did you care to comment on the lab leak hypothesis?
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Good to see you again, Ned...as I just mentioned to Knute, we have no evidence yet in support of
a "Lab Leak" theory...so, until China cooperates more fully, we're frankly wasting time debating this...let's both agree that we want to...and need to...get to the bottom of how COVID-19 came to be...it's essential that we learn the truth.
So, its not a conspiracy theory then. It's a possible truth...and pretty damned likely.
You did what the left almost always did when presented with the lab leak theory...you took it to the extreme, twisted it into a strawman to ridicule it and downplay it, because you couldn't have anyone besmirch your cherished China. You were willing to sacrifice the truth to take down Trump. Pardon me if I don't believe you are willing to face a politically inconvenient truth. Politics always comes before truth with you. I'm not trying to be mean. People have to realize the truth about you.
This is going to be fun...I can just tell this isn't going to be the last time you make such
statements...with that out of the way, I'll respond to your nest of accusations...
>It' s a "Theory"...the "Lab Leak"...nothing wrong with that...but without evidence, there's no "pretty damned" anything...get back to us when someone produces sufficient evidence to prove it...oh, and anyone who purports that the "LL" IS the cause at this point in time is the one who is going to extremes. I'm simply stating the obvious...we don't know, yet.
>"cherished China"?...not sure how you came up with that...China is an autocratic regime that is anathema to those who "Cherish" democracy...like me...and Joe Biden, who has been public in his strong challenge to China that this democratic country will win out against them...you're starting to make things up, Ned...btw, I challenge you to find a post of mine where I "cherish" China...get on it if you really believe that.
>Oh, and there's more from you...I'm not a mind-reader, so give me an example where I sacrificed the truth to 'take down' Trump...btw, I never said a word against Trump until he WAS taken down by Joe Biden...but make no mistake, I have many more words to say in opposition to Donald J. Trump...and many, many good reasons for doing so....I definitely await that thread...and more.
>bring on the "Politically Inconvenient Truth" that I need to 'face'...all of them.
>Politics vs. Truth?...can't wait to see what you're thinking of.
>'not trying to be mean'...thanks for that...I'd hate to see you when you really put your mind to it ;-).
Just remember...you asked for this.
And then make sure to drag Trump into it too, because why not.
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"Deliberately created" is asserting that it was created in a lab by scientists as opposed to...
...by nature. It doesn't mean it was deliberately created to be a pandemic.
A theory that it was GOF research that then leaked is certainly plausible especially when the virus arose next to a virology lab...
Let me just say, before spinning off on just one isolated example of M. Montagnier's
questionable credibility...Dr. Fauci has not changed one bit over the 30+ years he's been heading the NIAID, and deserves all the accolades he's received over those years...from Republicans and Democrats, both...in fact, it was G.W. Bush who bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom on him. He earned the trust of the majority of Americans during this pandemic...he "fast tracked" our life-saving mRNA vaccines into clinical trials just 2 days after China released the genetic sequence for COVID-19...he cut through the Trump HHS/FDA bureaucracy to get approvals for universities and private industry to start developing and producing test kits that actually worked during the first few months of the pandemic....and told the American people the TRUTH about what was going on, when his 'Boss' was "Slow Playing the Virus" and pushing useless remedies, like HCQ and Bleach....for that, he earned a target on his back from DJT and all his enablers...that's the only thing he did wrong...i.e. go against Trump who never passes up a chance to be vindictive.
Now, as to M. Montagnier's claim of the virus being "deliberately created" in the Wuhan Lab...again, I copied and pasted what others objected to, so be sure to email them as well on this...but I do indeed agree that the wording provides fertile ground for some people to (and I've seen it on this board) claim that COVID-19 was weaponized in the lab for the specific purpose of being released into the world. The word "deliberate" has implications...and the least of them is an "accident"...in fact, IMO those two words don't work well together at all. It was my take that it was Montagnier's intent to convey such a nefarious and 'deliberate' attempt by China's Wuhan Lab.
if you perceive his meaning to be something on the order of 'deliberately "Risky" research', I can see where you might cobble that concept together...the work that is done in Wuhan...Belgium and the U.S. is indeed very risky...but for a purpose...to keep us ahead of 'Mother Nature's' natural processes that can threaten our very lives. The related issue of "GOF" is, IMO, too esoteric for us to debate...thus far, there is no conclusive evidence of such activity, and for sure, our NIH did not authorize such research at Wuhan...although in 2017, the Trump admin eliminated the 'pause in GOF research that was instituted by the Obama admin in 2014...so...we're left with theories, but no evidence of any 'accidental' by-product of Wuhan research being the cause of COVID-19...until China cooperates.
One more time...the purpose of my post was to counter the assertion by JFK, Jr. and M. Montagnier that Dr. Fauci was guilty of wrong-doing wrt COVID-19...I'll be happy to do it again.
If experimentation occurs deliberately and an "accidental" creation then occurs as a result of that
experimentation...I would term that as "deliberate creation". The creation would not have occurred but for the deliberate act of undertaking the risky research and attendant experimentation in the first place.
I appreciate that you want to march off on your agenda (Fauci, etc.) per usual but that was not what I was addressing...as you knew.
Sorry, Knute, but 'hair splitting' words or phrases is IMO non-productive...scientific peers of
M. Montagnier came up with the determination that he engaged in a conspiracy theory, and I agree with them...let's leave it at that, since it is but one among many examples of how the man lost respect and credibility, and why I believe his comments against Dr. Fauci are lacking as well...
Dr. Fauci is still a very well respected expert in Infectious Diseases and a talented administrator....just not among Trump supporters.
Sorry, Ty, but if you missed the point...you missed the point. And I was not addressing Fauci at all
TY-pical...
I'm just doing my level best to stay true to this thread's topic line..."Nobel Laureate...calling
out Fauci..."...you have your own agenda apparently...speaking of "missing the point"...you're at least a mile away from this one.
As you know, or should, threads diverge or turn to sub-topics at times. I joined the thread under..
...a post asserting that the lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory.
I was asserting, as was clear to sentient beings, that merely saying "deliberately created" did not de facto make something a "conspiracy theory"....just a theory.
Now I'm done, as you've devolved to your customary silliness...
That's not what the lab leak hypothesis is.
People have asserted that there is a zoonotic source of Covid without any evidence, either.
I guess that's a conspiracy theory as well.
By the way, when people talk about it being "deliberately created", they are talking about gain of function. You may have heard such questions directed at Fauci and marveled at his overly legalistic deflections.
Two and a half years later, nobody has been able to identify which animal this disease might have jumped from to infect humans. Yet when people focus on the Chinese lab one kilometer away from the epicenter, they are called conspiracy theorists by Tyrone.
Precisely!...we don't know the genesis...ANY assertion of certitude is wrong, and in the case of
M. Montagnier's statement that COVID-19 was "Deliberately" created in the Wuhan Lab, that made him a purveyor of a conspiracy theory...the point made by others in the Wiki page I posted...and one that I personally concur with.
Here's hoping we can maintain enough cooperation with China to get to the truth of how the pathogen came to be...meanwhile, I fully support all efforts to learn that truth...we need to understand this to be better prepared for the future...btw, Dr. Fauci and the Biden administration are pushing for this...but...China is the roadblock.
Back to the fundamentals of this thread...Luc Montagnier's criticism and characterization of Dr. Fauci is IMO based on a personal vendetta against him...and the product of a scientific mind gone awry.
I think we should ask Trucker Carlson. He has all the answers.
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Link: https://youtu.be/32V-e7saq60
Amazing. Fauci has no advanced degrees in nolecular biology or biochem-just a connected bureaucrat
This guy confirms a lot of what Ive said about Fauci based on his actions.
There are multiple nobel prize winners mentioned here and Malone who all call Fauci a lying charlatan.
Too much smoke not to be fire.
Cool story, unfortunately he died as a quack. RIP
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You really are a "Debbie Downer" (your words, not mine). Why exactly is he a quack?
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This summary of Luc Montagnier addresses that claim...check it out...
here's an excerpt from the Wiki page...go to the citations if you have any question about why M. Montagnier was not thought highly of...
"In 2017, 106 academic scientists wrote an open letter "calling [Montagnier] to order". The letter read: "We, academics of medicine, cannot accept that one of our peers is using his Nobel prize [status] to spread dangerous health messages outside of his field of knowledge."[45]
For his defense of such anti-scientific views, Montagnier has been cited as an example of the phenomenon called Nobel disease.[46][47]"
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
I find it interesting the people you venerate an those you deride.
Fascinating really.
Read this article from the publication "France24" and let us know if you'd still take
M. Montagnier's side in all of this.
Link: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220210-luc-montagnier-hiv-discoverer-who-ended-a-pariah
Changes nothing as I am not on a side. My point remains.
The people, and their respective beliefs, that you find acceptable and what you find unacceptable is simply staggering.
I'm not following you...I hope I was clear enough that IMO M. Montagnier had an 'axe to grind' wrt
Dr. Fauci over HIV to begin with, and with his diminishing acceptance by peers over other truly bizarre theories (see my links), his opinions of Dr. Fauci carry even less credibility.
Finally, the man ended his life more as a "Pariah", than a noted scientist...very sad, but that's what the record shows.
Yes, I support Dr. Fauci and reject RFK Jr's and M. Montagnier's comments about him...do you have reasons why I should think otherwise?
Perhaps you are correct. The events you've detailed do not paint a flattering picture of the doctor.
Can you think of anyone we've discussed recently who's behavior is less than flattering but whom you have decided to venerate?
Spreading false information and peddling in conspiracy theories is indeed harmful. And in the abstract could cause harm if someone foolishly followed that information and ended up harming themselves. Perhaps someone committing actual harm and violence to fellow citizens should be viewed similarly by someone with your keen discernment.
Again those who you choose to idolize and those you chastise is remarkable.
No, I can't...but obviously you have someone in mind...and the answer is?...........
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No, no....I didn't think you would. You're an incredibly dishonest person.
I'm so terribly disappointed.
So, you're just trolling...got it.
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Not at all. You know precisely. But you're a dishonorable person.
I hope your grandkids didn't inherit their grandfather's dishonesty.
And I hope you will stop bickering and actually post something of substance.
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Of course the answer is - he had the balls to talk bad about the COVID Pope.
Fauci is still praised by many when he has been wrong every step of the way. The “experts” here will tell you he wasn’t because “Science changes”. These self appointed experts won’t tell you how but just repeat that line and then call you a rube.
Fauci: Just another tragic figure in a totally corrupt Deep State
Hero or Mass Murderer?