Wearing the masks for low risk, healthy people is not recommended by the CDC or even the WHO in noncrowded, low risk settings. The benefit of flattening the curve has been reached, and any further isolation not only has no benefit, but it works to slow the overall population acquisition of
herd immunity. Thus, these selfish people through their own ignorance are at this point hurting the rest of the population and slowing our recovery.
Liberals often talk about forced vaccinations on the children of anti vaxers for the overall good of the rest of the population. Will they accept the same treatment? Of course not. Liberals don't want to have their own rules applied to themselves - just others.
In fact, these flat earth liberals are no more scientific than the anti vaxers.
Both are not following the guidance of the CDC. It's that simple.
Also, deaths from this virus are increasing somehow.
But whether you wear your mask or not, you’ll be exposed. The real question is, “Was the medical system able to handle it, or were you unable to receive treatment?”.
When this started, you understood that, but as time and fear propaganda has marched on, you have lost site of it. Conveniently, it happens to fit the political goals of your information sources as well.
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nonrecommended settings is given by you based on superstition rather than science.
In the meantime, the rest of the country feels the economic crippling of your favored policy which is actually just fed to you by the msm who has a political motive of removing Trump.
The mask wearing - say your own car with the windows up - seems innocuous enough, but it has an intended effect by the media that manipulates you. It serves as symbol of fear, and constant reminder that you can't go back to normal. The Left knows that even loyal zealots like yourself will eventually grow fatigued of this shut down, so they need to keep stirring the pot of fear. Your placebo mask wearing accomplishes this for them. it "keeps it real" for you. It also helps to motivate you to continue to support "stay at home" orders in even low risk areas which inhibits the development of herd immunity in the low risk population which is necessary to overall recovery. Thus, like antivaxxers, you hurt the rest of the population with your ignorance. The stay at home is the damaging aspect of your silliness, and the mask wearing is just a means to encourage you not to sway in your support of it.
This behavior is evry bit as ignorant as the anti vaccine people's behavior, but far more dangerous. You block the recovery our entire economy with your beliefs, and you refuse to react to new information that indicates that we need to phase back to normal now.
Your fear will mysteriously disappear on 11/03/2020 if Biden wins. Your media will tell you only then that it is ok to come out of your figurative bunkers.
Of course, it's completely delusional, but thanks for taking the time.
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Which was surprising.
I also learned that you shouldn’t wear a mask because:
1) it probably won’t work, and you will end up being exposed anyway
2) it might work, which is bad because we need you to be exposed
But you will be exposed. We all will be. It’s all political now that the healthcare system is ready.
Every thing you say, says you are not in the medical field. You come across as one of the dumber morons on the planet.
As per your post on surgeries, you're full of shit.
The CDC recommends wearing masks in public when social distancing is difficult. Therefore, if social distancing is not difficult, the wearing of masks is not a recommendation.
Is it possible that wearing a mask is nothing like being an anti-vaxxer?
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Link: as of March 15th it hasn't changed
"In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission".
I'll cut you some slack since the CDC has jumped around on this as new information has come out, but as i said at the beginning, asymptomatic, low risk people in low risk settings wearing their bandito masks in low risk areas is not necessary. You will be exposed if you haven't already, and you are being ruled by fear rather than rationality.
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
WASHINGTON -- The CDC is now recommending that everyone should wear a cloth face covering when out in public places to protect others in case they are unknowingly infected with the virus.
Late Friday night, the agency updated its consumer-facing web page for COVID-19 self-protection as follows:
Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others.
You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.
Everyone should wear a cloth face cover when they have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store or to pick up other necessities.
Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.
The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.
Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker.
Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing.
Because there is currently no vaccine nor approved treatment, the agency stressed that the best strategy for preventing illness is still to avoid exposure to the virus. Even asymptomatic people can spread coronavirus to others, the CDC stressed.
During a White House briefing on Friday evening, President Trump underscored the CDC's advice to Americans who are not clinicians, that they not wear "medical-grade or surgical-grade" masks. These are now in shortage at many hospitals, forcing administrators to adopt last-ditch strategies to extend supplies.
But Trump said he has no plans to follow the recommendation himself to wear a mask in public. "I'm choosing not to do it," he said at the Friday briefing.
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is transmitted
Link: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85800
.......they say one thing, and the reporter twists it to report another.
The CDC says that I light of new evidence, they rec wearing face masks for low risk people in public places where social distancing is not practical and then gives the example of a grocery store, and then the reporter spins the story to say that the CDC recommends everyone who goes out in public places should wear masks.
And because they have an official sounding news title pertaining to medicine, people who want to hear this eat it up.
interprets in the way the Left desires.
I’ll stick with the CDC link.
You read.
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
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Six feet! Masks! You dopes just don't get science!
Yeah, we've heard it before. Just fuck off.
may be difficult. It is not to protect you, it is meant to protect those around you. Btw How do you know you have not acquired Covid? You could be not symptomatic yet but you still have the disease.
Link: https://www.livescience.com/cdc-recommends-face-masks-coronavirus.html
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.in which case you shouldn't even be going out at all, or in cases where you are exposed to a + patient or in cases where you are in a crowded setting unable to keep distancing in which case, it is still optional.
but these homemade masks are a joke.
It’s only because not wearing a mask has become part of the MAGA identity for some reason.
If everyone wore one, we’d save lives of workers.
Not complicated.
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Inconsiderate prick that people would be wise to stay away from.
Out of tesp ct for the people who work there.
Many of whom have caught this bastard bug, trying to keep their fellow Americans supplied with cheetos and Dr Pepper.
It doesn’t do much for any individual. But together we can save those people.
Not wearing one has become a badge of right-wing-militia-turd honor somehow. Gimme a fucking break.
...it is absurd to claim that low risk people are going to be saved in any way by you wearing a "mask". We will all be exposed. You haven't accepted that reality since this all started.
Now that the curve was flattened and the risk of hospitals being overwhelmed is past, it is time to move to the next phase. We need to start building immunity to help us all recover faster. You antimedical, antiscience people are threatening us all with your fear and superstitions.
Next thing you know, you'll be homeschooling your kids.
Not complicated.
I have yet to hear about Publix employees in my area dropping dead because people aren’t wearing masks.
Grocery stores and pharmacies.
Because people want to burnish their MAGA credentials by not wearing masks.
It’s really not a big deal. Just wear it.
I have Dems in my family who are not wearing them. Do you consider them MAGA assholes? They hate Trump as much as Frank. You do realize there are Dems out there that think masks aren’t necessary, right.
I’m sure the protesters you are seeing in Michigan and Cali are not all Republicans.
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When I go to Publix, I see a bunch of retirees walking around without masks. What I don’t see is their AR-15’s. You may be the king of looking down your nose at people.
to join the military. They put on their camo gear and pretend they are tough guys. These Guys are like Donald who dodged out of Viet Nam using a boo-boo on his heel as his excuse.
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Sounds like you’re full of shit on the subject.
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follow the recommendations of the experts. You do know that neither the CDC nor WHO recommends your superstitious protocol outside of a high risk setting, right?
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There is no data on anything. Nobody knows if herd immunity is actually a thing, since we have these pernicious reports of reactivation or reinfection. Nobody knows all the side effects, neural, cardiovascular, or other. etc etc etc.
So, in the meantime, why don't we all try not to be dicks, and recognize that people are very worried about this thing, and not get in their faces by not wearing masks? Is there some harm in you strapping a t-shirt on your face to make someone feel better?
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Here's an example:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1cfjh6VfE
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compromised....
....because you are going to be exposed anyways, the virus is so infectious and lives on surfaces for long enough that it is just placebo,
because the home masks aren't filtered even close to the level to prevent the virus from going through them (yes it would potentially avoid an even a bigger exposure of water droplets with a sneeze or cough, but those are symptomatic people that are not being talked about here - they should wear a mask and shouldn't be out at all by the way), because people reuse their masks, they breath and cough and sneeze into them and then retouch them to take them off which can undo any hand washing they had previously done. they stick them in their pockets and then wash the mask but put their hands back in said pockets - in summary, they lack training in sterile technique, they aren't wearing single use sterile gloves (and would need to know how to remove them without contaminating themselves aslo), and face masks to cover the eyes all of which would actually be required to make a real effort.
And because we already achieved the goal of flattening the curve, and the healthcare systems are not at risk in most areas of being overwhelmed anymore, and we need to start building herd immunity which begins to be significant at about 70% of the population exposed as I recall while the Stanfordand USC studies showed that in Cali, the % of those testing positive was only at 20% so far.
In reality, in many lower hit areas, now is probaby as good time as any to be exposed with many beds available for the very few healthy people who get sick), and we even appear to have a good drug for treating very ill patients which Gilead is about to start mass producing.
And because the massive destruction to our economy, our way of life, and even the inhibition of other medical problem treatments is going to cause more loss of life, than this virus which appears to kill just 1/1000 low risk people.
I will grant that phasing out of lockdown can be coordinated with widespread availability of remdesivir, but otherwise, we need to isolate the at risk and high risk areas while opening up the low risk areas to take advantage of the benefits of both strategies (avoidance for the at riskand herd immunity). The herd immunity will further help the high risk with avoidance since the virus will be less prevalent when most people are immune and don't carry active disease.
It is ironic that you see not wearing a mask (which the CDC has not recommended in asymptomatic, low risk people in areas where a crowd doesn't preclude social distancing) is a badge of honor for the right, because continuing the shutdown beyond what is reasonable and with unnecessary restrictions appears to be a badge of honor for the Left to us.
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Asking out of concern.
the anti-vaxers are. You are no different.
And just like you, they react skeptically when we twll them that their action is not only not doing what they think it does, but it can be harmful.
You are exactly the same.
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and depriving medical personnel from having PPE. That has been clear from the very start of this SNAFU.
And what is this anti-vax shit you are bringing up? Are you anti vax, Baron Zemo, MD?
and we need to begin to develop herd immunity, and we need to avoid destrying our economy. I promise you that your fears will disappear after the Fall election because the people feeding you this poppycock will have achieved their goal.
But it is unbelievable to listen to liberals mocking country hicks protesting their rights being infringed and assuming themselves to be more sophisticated in their approach when in fact driven by superstition, fear,and ignorance themselves.
The mask is not meant to protect inconsiderate pricks like you. It is meant to protect others around you.
people get like this asshole? Academia must be a breeding ground for douches like him
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just not acceptable. Its infanticide pure and simple. I dont consider him a good guy
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Or something more serious?