for yourself. I don’t watch either. This is not on Trump or Biden. This is Putin. Why attack each other based on what these idiots say?
Just stop with your Trump rants dummy.
as Q412 is concerned
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Putin knows that Germany has minimal armed forces and the rest of Europe is worse (A Paper Tiger).....Three quarters of Americans don't want us involved in a Russia/Ukraine territorial dispute and we couldn't do much about even if we wanted to. We are living in a nation in serious decline. Expect more of this in the future from China.
This is an ND point, not a Tucker or Don or anyone else point.
If Ukraine disarmed itself under the auspices of protection from the West and the US agreed to those terms, aren’t we morally obligated to fulfill the agreement?
On the one to Ukraine, we promised to provide protection to a WHOLE neutral Ukraine on condition they give up nukes, not just one part of a divided Ukraine. (Eastern Ukraine contributed to this denuclearization too). If Ukraine is divided, we have no moral ground to protect one part of this country against the other part. But we stupidly helped to divide this country on 2014 with a coup that overthrow a president elected under UN observation and favored by eastern part of Ukraine. We helped to divide this young country by ignoring her long complicated history and did it without realizing how dangerous it is
On the promise to Russia, we promised NATO wouldn't expand one inch beyond eastern Germany in exchange for Russia to agree we keep military at Germany after Russia military leave Eastern Germany. We broke this promise by allowing many countries to join NATO. Ukraine is the one that is Russia bottom line. All Russia wants is our promise that doesn't allow Ukraine to be in NATO. We didn't. We lost our moral ground to act on both Ukraine and Russia.
As described by Gorby himself.
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I'd have to read the actual assurances offered to answer definitively, but it seems we agreed to protect them from Russia by published accounts. I will welcome correction on this.
From that perspective, I get why Conor thinks we should fight. But, absent a moral obligation, I suppose I hope we stay out of it...we should not be trying to fight in every war, and Ukraine has far less worth to US interests than a country like Taiwan.
Ukraine was naive to trust us. But, they were new to global politics.
We shouldn't have given assurances we would never honor...in the name of non-proliferation, a policy goal which we would abandon soon thereafter. (Chris won't want me to mention that Clinton made the assurances, Clinton & Obama abandoned non-proliferation with their treatment of N.Korea, Libya and Iran, and Biden is just plain absent/weak which encourages war. Geopolitics are just not a strength in the Democrat party.)
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