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unites us as a nation, that is National Anthem (and flag).
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They want to tear things down. If you believe that even if all their demands were met that they would be content, they would not. The demands are not the point. Read what they write. Listen to what they say. In one sense, they are quite straightforward and tell you exactly what they aim to do. They believe our civilization is rotten to the core and they want to dismantle it. They destroy everything they touch, which is the point. Now, that also means that they destroy each other, too, which is about the only hope. It is enjoyable to watch them cannibalize each other as they modify daily the purity tests, as happens in cults.
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Which essentially is the mirror image of the Far Left.
I will always stand, take off my hat and salute hand over heart.
Many of the younger folk think it’s legitimate protest not to do so.
There is an easy solution for sports. If you don’t agree with the athlete protesters, don’t watch them, college or pros. Remember the supposed NFL boycott? How long did that last?
them not to kneel. He has perfect right to disagree, no?
and anthem than these guys. They mean different things to me. Members of my family have died for them.
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All those customs that we associate with patriotism are common among the working class, including working class kids. This is, in large part, why these practices are looked down upon those by the people in upper income strata who reject them. It's "Cow Country" behavior and simple-mindedness. As a wise man once observed, you never see the kids in trade schools protesting the flag or the anthem or America. It's always the kids in four-year schools, and, most heavily, kids in elite private universities doing this virtue signaling.
Reverence for all things patriotic is not virtue signaling?
American bonds are not by race, or origin, or language. Ours is a unity of mind. If we eliminate our secular acts of declared unity...why would we remain as a country?
Of course I'll sing the National Anthem, hand over heart, looking at the flag. I will fight to defend the constitutional rights of anyone. No question.
But patriotic fervor can be used to be divisive, instead of unifying, and can be used to virtue signal just how much more you love America than, say, the libs. It's a subjective standard, but you are correct in that we should definitely carry out the basics in the spirit of unity.
I've said as much many times.
I thought I was explaining why this isn't a generational thing?
In my opinion you are both right. See my comment below. The right has been working on the narrative that Patriotism and Anti-Liberalism synonymous.
Liberals are more prominently represented by the young and the educated not-so-young.
It's OK.
Apparently patriotism is an issue of contention now.
these icons. Did you see any older, retired black NFL stalwarts leading the charge in the kneeling protests?
If you took a poll across all age spectrums by population, you would see there is much more respect for the symbols of this nation by the elders , than there is in the younger age group.
Most of us older folk ignore it, but the kids are saying fuck you to it. So yes, that will spill (and has spilled) over into other symbols of patriotism.
And I have in a big school and at smaller schools. You are simply incorrect. I myself have never been a big flag guy and I think we've got the worst national anthem. I would characterize it more as, "Do you appreciate where you live/were born?"
Frank is also incorrect in assuming that young people in general are not socialized to honor the flag and the anthem. It's quite the opposite among the lower economic strata. One would expect the people with less to be the most critical of their own countries, and for those with the most to be the most appreciateive, but that usually isn't the case. We can speculate. I myself don't think it's much more complicated than recognizing that the more you have, the less you tend to appreciate it and that which allows you to have this plenty. It's completely unsurprising that the heart of our new cultural revolution is led by those who do not come from the working class, thus, that odd phenomenon of Ivy League and exclusive private college students leading the charge on white privilege and America: The Stain on Humanity, rather than the trade school kids.
Young people, as a general rule, rebel against revered institutions more than old people. But we are talking generalizations, and your mileage may vary. Let's put it this way, I believe that if you had 100 privileged youths and their 100 privileged parents, the parents would be more respectfully of the flag/whatever on average. If you had 100 working class youths, and their working class parents, the parents would be more respectful on average.
But I can't prove that to you, so feel free to believe that age doesn't matter.
around. But I will ALWAYS show respect for the flag and the anthem of this nation.
I understand those that feel differently. They have that right, and may have a different background and experience. It’s just not me though and I also won’t ever apologize for it.
That accounts for much of that. By the same token, you can look around you and observe many older liberals angry at America in myriad ways and I would submit that you will find most of those folks were not/are not working class people. From the different classes come different subcultures. One of the defining characteristics of the American working class for about a century has been its patriotism. An example is the overrepresentation of the working class in the military, which is not accounted for simply by the lure of paid college tuition.
symbols. This is true among those of the more liberal persuasion. Not all of course, but much more than the younger folks. Even boomers were taught from an early age that these items should be respected. Not so much any more.
eliminate slavery. And yeah it’s a symbol of an imperfect place. But WTF isn’t in life?
I get that there are others with a different perspective and they are within in their rights to disrespect those things. Like I said, just don’t fuck with me over the fact that I do respect them, cause I’m not apologizing for it.
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Fewer and fewer have served in the military and in many cases that service stays within a family.
I think those that have served or those with family that have served view the flag with a little more reverence. That would fall in both your groups... older guys (can practically see them wearing their Navy baseball caps to Shoprite) as well as the young Midwest kid that joins up.
There is definitely a segment that feels a little more protective of the flag (I'm in that group.) I'm not going to get too excited about protests, but here it a time when I would rather not be scolded for "speaking my truth".
I suggest the UN flag.
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We are a racist, selfish, arrogant nation that needs a comeuppance. Just look at all the nations in Europe protesting against America. In the history of the world no nation has been more evil than America. Just ask the Europeans. Are they all still speaking German?
China is the pinnacle of who the world should be. They have handled all their crisis. Got rid of opposing viewpoints, imprisoned journalists, put Muslims in camps, steals and defrauds the world. No wonder there is no widespread protests against that peaceful country.
Maybe we should try to mimic China so the world will like us also.