He’ll be missed. Okay, not really. Ray Ciccarelli giving it up in protest.
He’ll definitely go down in the “whats his name?” Category of those who make important statements in minutia advancing nothing at all.
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It might mean something different to him. I suspect he's never owned slaves, nor actually thinks slavery is a good idea.
To most who value it on some level, I suspect its a sign of regional pride that they grew up with. They don't intend it to be symbol championing slavery but it carries those connotations nonetheless.
I am pretty sure that's a losing cause, and boycotting his profession carries its own punishment. But perhaps we should learn more about his point of view, instead of looking at it solely through the PC point of view.
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the 50’s and early 60’s as a symbol of their cause. In fact it was added to the Georgia state flags by the segregationist governor during that time and began to be flown at other southern state capitals. It stands for white power. Before it stood for the confederacy and states rights/rights to own slaves.
And it reinforces why people don't like people from the South.
It was brought back by the segregationists as a symbol of resistance to civil rights.
Not to be too passionate, but it really is a vile symbol, and I get why blacks hate it so much.
There are symbols I wouldn't display and language I wouldn't use, which of course includes the stars and bars, but I do value the freedom to display and speak as I choose.
The solution is a conversation. People who are offended should be having conversations with those who display these things. It's called being an adult in a free society.
That said, banning the flag I am okay with too, yet there is that slippery slope.
being removed and not allowed to be displayed at NASCAR events.
Freedom of speech is not being challenged.
Racist!
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I don’t see how anyone can truthfully say that it isn’t a white power symbol though. It was specifically brought back for that very purpose during the civil rights movement.
Expecting people to know history these days is a bit too optimistic, IMO. But that's sort of a bit of the problem I have with removing statues and symbols. If we erase the first 200 years of this country's history, that seems counterproductive. We should focus on the fact that we as a nation are continuing to improve and work towards continuing that rather than trying to erase the past.
I know I'll be attacked for this, but most southerners view it as a regional symbol of the South. I don't think anyone thinks Lynyrd Skynyrd was going around the country singing songs for the cause of slavery and white supremacy. The confederate flag did not mean then what it means now.
Granted, I'm sure many white supremacists have always looked at it as a white supremacy symbol, but they have always been so few and hard to find, it didn't matter. But, the Left is constantly looking for things to demonize as symbols of racism (Christopher Columbus statues anyone? MAGA hats, anyone? The OK sign, anyone? Standing for the National Athem?...next thing you know, "smiling for photos" will considered racist.) I think they have mostly succeeded with the confederate battle flag, though, so it may be time to give them the win.
Great songs, though. And I hope Neil Young will remember, a Southern man don't need him around, anyhow....
No better advice a parent can give their son:
"We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," said Ronnie Van Zant at the time. That's basically what happened to the flag, I think. The Left insisted it ONLY represented the one or two...and the media embraced it. But, it used to represent the entire South, and contrary to what Chris may think, there are some good people in the South. Interestingly, African-American singers are the background for this song. Interviewed about it, they said that they are a part of the Alabama story as well.
Because, back in the day when I saw and listened to Lynyrd Skynyrd Or any other southern band I couldn’t understand why that flag was part of the image. I mean unless they’re trying to appeal to their racist upbringing and racist fans.
What it was and is, is a signal to a group of people, you are accepted here.
tolerance. Can’t remember any blacks being there either.
Workin' for the MCA - rebelling against the record label
Sweet Home Alabama - "In Birmingham they love the governor, Boo, Boo, Boo!"
Gimme Three Steps - Good old fashion cuckolding
That's Smell - Anti-drug
Saturday Night Special - Anti-gun
What's your name - Womanizing, boozing, fighting
Tuesday's Gone - lost love
Simple Man - Mom's love
Needle and the Spoon - Anti-drug
Travelling man - on the road rock star.
Freebird - Whatever
There is not a hint of white supremacy or white supremacy themes.
If you want to keep your head in the sand that it was all about some good old boys never meaning no harm, go right ahead.
Others felt and feel very differently as we are awakening to.
Not a lot of African Americans in our parish.
The fact that you stubbornly keep defending this view shows that some of these protesters have a point.
The battle flag was specifically brought out of retirement as a protest against civil rights in the 50’s and 60’s. Fact. By the mid 70’s the segregationists had lost that battle. Fact. They didn’t want to lose their symbol though. That’s when it became a sweet benign symbol of good ole boys never meaning no harm. Fact. I don’t blame any black person for despising it. And defending it as a a harmless cultural symbol, is first off not accurate, and secondly counterproductive.
The most egregious was allowing L S to keep the flag as part of their act.
I have no idea why Dukes of Hazard was ever made with the General covered in the flag. That was a real attempt at sanitizing the history and meaning.
I just watched half an episode. Blech.
It was brought to popularity as a segregation symbol. Then when that had to go underground all of a sudden it became a cultural symbol. Should surprise me that you would be defending, apologizing, snd shuffling in favor of it.
Calling it a symbol of southern heritage IS erasing its history.
It has its current prominence for a specific reason which has everything to do with segregation and little or nothing to do with culture.
I'm not sure what, but there is. I grew up with the understanding that the Stars and Bars represented rebellious, stick-it-to-the-man, drinking/fighting/fishing Southern folk that live just a bit outside the law.
I never associated it with white supremacy.
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That’s the sanitization of it. You know, Bo, Luke and Daisy Dukes.
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...when everyone thought the South really didn't have that much to be proud of, it was kind of a middle finger to the rest of the country. No one thought the Dukes of Hazard or Lynyrd Skynyrd were covers for the white supremacy movement. That is revisionist.
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A rock band origins in Florida known to be the pillar of Southern Rock - a white band and a white mans TV show both embraced by the confederate flag doesn’t change the fact the flag was and is a symbol of slavery and racism. This calling out of that flag didn’t just happen from a vacuum.
You and your pals are wrong and on the wrong side of this if you think the confederate flag is nostalgic, some Southern Comfort - home Sweet home by the American campfire. S’mores for everyone, everyone but the Negros.
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My belief is that his viewpoint stops well short of being pro-slavery...but I never heard of the man before this post and I don't watch NASCAR (or Dukes of Hazzard for that matter) so maybe he's the local Grand Imperial Dragon of the KKK for all I know.
on and on.
This has been too long in our sails as America to be allowed to continue.
We know better and we as a nation have known better for decades.
over the tedious level.
“I don't believe in kneeling during Anthem nor taken ppl right to fly what ever flag they love," he posted. "I could care less about the Confederate Flag, but there are ppl that do and it doesn't make them a racist all you are doing is (expletive) one group to cater to another and i ain't spend the money we are to participate in any political BS!! So everything is for SALE!!"
Not sure why this is being “virtuous” in your mind.
This is about why this issue of racism continues. We keep building escape language that excuses systemic racism and culture wars between black and white in America to continue.
If you’re in the public eye and push for more of the same symbolic racist icons to be advanced you’re on the wrong side.
What I said was he could be misguided or he could be a member of the KKK for all I knew, since I had no interest in NASCAR and continue not to.
His voice on this runs parallel to the now Oval Office and that’s the voice I object to
By laying track for his protest it gives credence to trump’s white supremacy backing. “They are very fine people ...”
My initial comment was that no one would miss this tool or give a flying rats ass if he quits in protest or not
Anyway.
If you don't get why I find you cloyingly virtue signaling, it's because you're taking absolute positions in hindsight as to what people should have done as if you would have done them...but for the unfortunate fact that you were off touring the Continent, living in the bush, or exploring other parts unknown.
50 yrs ago maybe, but not since the late sixties. The confederate flag has been known to be symbolic of the acceptance of a Slave State. It was when first flown and is still that symbol today. Why we keep defending it and those who choose to brandish it, is unacceptable.
This idea that it is America Lore like Jazz music is our failure as Americans.
virtuous though . I'm sure your Dukes of Hazzard protests were legendary back in the day...
In today’s atmosphere with all the social media, (and for decades) access to information, protests abound in cities all across the nation, anyone who says they don’t know the symbolic meaning behind waving the confederate flag is either lying or they’re lying. And to do so in the promotion of racism we’ll, makes you a racist, ie Trump.
Defending this moron is a lost cause.
I'll just assume Van Jones was talking about you. You seem to be very triggered by the mere thought of discussing this.
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part of the popular culture. You were most certainly aware of it.
Are you telling me you stood by and did nothing?
Virtue demerit...even if it was in your impetuous youth.
I became aware of it in the 80’s when I moved back to US. I thought the use of the car and flag was somewhat damning and the premise of the show, lame. I did not watch it. However at the time in college my roommate from Birmingham loathed that show for its promotion of the confederate flag. It wasn’t innocuous even then.
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getting to experience more than living in a shut-in community.
Going along to get along just doesn’t work with me. I don’t like the BLM as an organization however I see clearly their points of view. I think those protests were and are the right thing to do but I cannot abide the violence. Things like the confederate flag are hate speak in a symbol and it continues to promote the promise of systemic racism. Our black friends and neighbors using the N-word is a horror in itself as it defies the the pain and suffering of those who met their end because the word. There is no positive connotation in that word the same as there is no positive connotation flying a confederate flag.
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either by words, monuments or symbols comes down to a binary narrative. Right or wrong.
It's not like it says all lives (M word)...
asshole, but there it is anyway.
Is that binary enough for you?
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Destroying absolutism is my calling.
post by Lehigh Pence.
This is not a pink Polo shirt topic.
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And that was my reaction to your bland if not indifferent quasi defense of his protest.
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