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John Bolton is one of the most odious people in Washington. Trump is unfit for office.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The book excerpts prove both statements.

A string of kicks to the national balls.


Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564?mod=hp_lead_pos1

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Thread Level: 2

Odious...but not a traitor.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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He's a grifter, that's at least half of DC

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:26 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The most odious but you still buy his narrative? Again, sold your soul to neocon for your anti-Trump

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=504513

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So was John Dean, but he wasn’t lying.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:15 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Trump should be arrested on January 20, 2021.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25810 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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There's no immunity from criminal charges stemming from his official (or unofficial) acts while in office.

I guarantee he has no idea that's a thing.


Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Tish James will prolly indict him in mid to late October.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:33 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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You and Albany should start your own law firm.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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What would you charge him with?

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Impeding globalism, bringing scrutiny on family kickbacks, bullying

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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And you posted “You’ve officially lost it”. Wow.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:43 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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He will pardon himself first.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Whether or not self-pardon is valid would be in front of Scotus rather quickly.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:56 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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It would be the perfect ending to his tenure.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:52 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The pardon power is a purely executive power. There are no limits.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:00 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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You can argue that there should be, of course, and if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Granted, if Trump pardons himself, I could see a constitutional amendment being proposed to limit the pardon power. But, we wouldn't know he pardoned himself until he was arrested, and by then the country would be in civil war, so let's hope we never get to see his self-pardon.


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1974 Justice Department memo says otherwise, based on fact that Founding Fathers never contemplated

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:20 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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self pardon.

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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I knew about that. Self-serving, non-binding memo, IMO.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:33 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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I'm not being an advocate here. I think, objectively, that SCOTUS will decline to restrict an explicit power of another branch of government like that.

I could be wrong. And, as I say, I hope we never find out. To paraphrase the worst "The Shirt" ever, I'm hoping that the Dems rise above themselves.


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I take it back. There is one limit. Here is the text of the Constitution.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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A Trump self pardon would not extend to state crimes either.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:23 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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True. You will certainly be able to consummate our status as a banana republic.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:29 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Be proud of your destruction.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You still support a racist career criminal, serial sexual assaulter & traitor. Why?

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 8:08 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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You guys haven't come up with anyone better.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:38 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Here's a fun scenario.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:12 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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January 19, 2021 -- Trump resigns, and Pence is sworn in. Pence Pardons Trump.
January 20, 2021 -- Biden is sworn in.

But, don't worry. I'm sure the Southern District of NY will try to arrest Trump for something. I mean, why not, right?


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Why would the Sovereign District be involved?

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:24 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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I give up. Why?

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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? You brought up the S.D. and I asked you why they would be involved.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 7:57 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Oh, the Southern DIstrict!

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:03 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Actually, I did say Southern District, didn't I. I was mistaken, because that is a federal designation. I meant whatever state prosecutors there are in that area. Or, you could use D.C. prosecutors. Who am I to pick the method for destroying the peaceful transition of power in our democracy? That is up to you.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Bill Barr, Mike Pompeo, Jared et al will need pardons, too.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 8:20 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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They may. The reckoning that’s coming may not be what Cole expected.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:50 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Yes. Entire family, even Barron. First Family is no longer off limits. You guys might go for him too

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:37 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Nah, Tiff who he wanted to abort, Melania, and Barron are the non criminal wing of the family.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:04 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Irrelevant. We aren't discussing criminality. We are discussing prosecution attempts.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:09 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Pardons work well against witch hunts.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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RICO charges would be fitting. So many predicate acts. And such longggg sentences. Ahhh.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 9:17 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Oh please. There are plenty of REAL criminals in that crime family to go after.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:15 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Again, criminality is irrelevant. We are discussing pardons to avoid 521's witch hunt prosecutions.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Be serious. You know those three are in zero danger of being charged with anything.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:49 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The rest, not so much.

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Yep. He'd be a fool not to do so.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Oh you are a great uniter. Arrest the former President. That won’t cause any problems.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Retard.

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Raid Obama’s home in the middle of the night like Manafort’s for using the DOJ against opponents?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:10 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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This is the kind of thing that Albany is proposing. The end of the peaceful transition of power and the end of democracy. TDS brought them to this point. I do not think that we will ever recover. The Left doesn’t even allow opposing speech anymore. They have become all of the worst things that they used to falsely claim in others.

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Seal team drop off of Martha's Vineyard?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33491 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:38 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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It's a he says shes deal, and everyone in DC are liars, so it goes no where

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Except for Orange, right? He always tells the truth in all of these instances, correct?

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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I don't think there's an honest person in DC, that means everyone, the street vendors are corrupt

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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they charged me 5 bucks for an Popsicle

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Bolton is worse than all of them. A real Neocon that cause Iraq and now he is saved because of his

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:21 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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hatred of Trump. He is suspect at best. Like Comey who was hated for causing Hillary the election is all of a sudden elevated because of his hatred for Trump. Both men are who they always were. But their popularity only exists because of Trump. They will disappear into irrelevance.

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Maybe Trump should quit hiring people based on what they say on Fox News?

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:57 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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In fairness, one of the biggest voices on FoxNews (Tucker) despises Bolton.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:56 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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I've also seen Kennedy tear him to shreds. There is not universal love for Bolton on FoxNews.

To your point, I think you make a valid criticism of Trump. The Bolton hire was perplexing (and not the only one). Trump did resist his push for war with Iran, though.

30 second search turned up these segments (one general criticism; one an interview taking Bolton to task for pushing for war in Iraq and Iran). He's battled/criticized him more than this, though.






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Tucker maybe the biggest voice on Fox right now. It’s the only show I will always watch.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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He’s been hitting on CHAZ/CHOP nightly and also BLM. Last night it was the Republicans turn. He isn’t a fan of McConnell either.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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Agreed. He's not afraid to go after the GOP.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:35 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Orange liked his views on Iran and China. Plus Orange likes “tough guys”. They deserve each other.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:03 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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I don’t doubt for a minute though that his claims are true. They all reek of shit that Orange would do.

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This is what, he 4th book that is going to bring down Trump.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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We have the typical drama queen jumping to believe it right off the bat while being wrong soooooooooooo may other times. Intelligent my ass.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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China has been abusing humans for decades, you can pin that on the last few Presidents as well

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:50 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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And........./?

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:51 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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There is a reason why the GOP Senate did not want to call witnesses at the Impeachment trial.

Author: conorlarkin (21001 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:42 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Looking forward to not having a corrupt, dishonorable and inept person occupy the Oval Office.

Bolton still put his own interests above the nation's interests by not coming forward during House hearings. Would never buy his book.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Correct, remember when posters here said they couldn't wait for the GOP to call Hunter Biden?

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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There's a reason it never happened. They realized whatever dirt they could get on Biden would pale in comparison to what would be dug up on Trump.

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I disagree, i beleive it was due to all the dirt that would come out on every Senator/Congressman's

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:27 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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own dirty family member dealings.

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That as well.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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He refused to testify under oath in front of Congress and is going to get rich off of this book.

Author: Cole (16175 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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You fell for every fake news story about Russia. Every one. And now you're falling for this because, well, you hate Trump, you don't care about the truth when it comes to Trump, and, well, you hate Trump.

MSM against him.

Special counsel against him.

FBI against him.

And he still wins.

Must be infuriating.


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Another great hire by Trump: Drain the Swamp!

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Yep. He is an awful, awful person. And Trump is profoundly unfit for office.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Not mutually exclusive.

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Quite the difference in reaction from Robert Gates and Stanley McChrystal books.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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That plus the 24/7 nonstop Trump bad mouthing kind of detracts from its significance.

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True, Obama didn't sue to try to keep those books from coming out.

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Because he controlled the media that would torpedo it for him

Author: BaronVonZemo (59845 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Bullshit. Quite different books. Don’t deflect, for once, maybe?

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:49 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Except his contemporaneous notes will sink the SS Orange. And the story on Russia isn’t fake. Nor is

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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his coverup of it. Come next February there will be a reckoning.

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You better check with Mueller on that. He says otherwise regarding Russia

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Uhm he said there wasn’t enough evidence to confirm conspiracy.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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OK, and you have more evidence than he does? He had open check book

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:48 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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and army for research but couldn't find evidence, but you have some? Mueller was
failure and disappointment to the left. He should have checked with Adam Sciff, who claimed to have
all the evidence for over a year, and never claim up with zilch


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See the issue is when you have people willing to lie for the prez, it’s pretty hard to prove.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:57 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Check the report re the concerns expressed about the truthfulness of the info they got.

Also, when the other party involved, Russia is also covering up for you and denying what everyone knew they did it makes it doubly hard. With Nixon it took tapes or he would have lied his way out of it also.


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Got it, so its complete tea leaf reading and conjecture on your part. Good to know

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:11 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Little more than that. What prez campaign ever had the sheer volume of contacts with a hostile

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:34 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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foreign power that these guys had? They weren't just talking about the weather.

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Like Comey's contemporaneous notes?

Author: Cole (16175 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:47 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Yep, those were never disputed by Orange’s testimony. Just admit you are never right on anything.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:49 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Reckoning early next year.

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Just read that. Does any of it surprise you? Two of the worst shitbirds in public life.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The shaky don cares about one thing, him.

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He thinks Finland is part of Russia?

Author: MAS (21444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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And Iceland is part of the nation of Antarctica?

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That's pretty funny.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:37 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The lack of ice is why he wants to buy “Greenland”.

Author: Frank L (64661 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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No. But it still makes me sick to my stomach.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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