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Felony Murder: Outrageous miscarriage of justice in Atlanta.

Author: Irishize (3681 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 8:42 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 2

You are the attorney for who?

Author: jimbasil (49901 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

"whom"

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:38 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Mr. Grammar.

Thread Level: 4

Being semi-illiterate, I find this interesting.

Author: LehighND (7534 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:53 am on Jun 18, 2020
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If it were asked "Who are you the attorney for?", it sort of seems like "Who" is the subject. Think of the equivalent question "Who is your client?" That clearly has "who" as the subject.

So it can't be simply the order of the words, can it? Does it have something to do with the fact that my proposed rewrite ("Who are you the attorney for?") on ends in a preposition? I understand from you Arts Majors that this is a bad thing. Are they connected? Are we not supposed to end sentences in a preposition because they improperly make it seem as the object of the sentence is actually the subject?

If anyone can answer these probing questions, I figure it's you.


Are you kind?
Thread Level: 5

The sentence that you are evaluating is itself grammatically incorrect which leads to the problem...

Author: BaronVonZemo (46921 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Jun 18, 2020
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One cannot end a sentence with a preposition.

The sentence "Who are you an attorney for?" should instead be "For whom are you serving as an attorney?"


Thread Level: 5

I believe Esperanto solves some of these problems.

Author: iairishcheeks (17409 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:10 pm on Jun 18, 2020
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Ask not for who the bell tolls....

Author: TakethetrainKnute (29628 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:41 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Actually it’s “who”. Or whom if you like.

Author: jimbasil (49901 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:07 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Almost interchangeable but the subject is who.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 5

um, wrong, as usual.

Author: und67 (5995 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:20 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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it's actually the object of the preposition "for". so the objective form ("whom") is required to be correct.

msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
Thread Level: 6

Um, no, it’s the subject

Author: jimbasil (49901 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Okay. We're back in business. Jim: what is the verb in that sentence?

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:30 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Follow the bouncing ball

Author: jimbasil (49901 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:01 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Over the last 200 years, the pronoun whom has been on a steady decline. Despite its waning use in speech and ongoing speculation about its imminent extinction, whom still holds a spot in the English language, particularly in formal writing. Understanding when and how to use this pronoun can set your writing apart.

What’s the difference between whom and who?
Whom is often confused with who. Who is a subjective-case pronoun, meaning it functions as a subject in a sentence, and whom is an objective-case pronoun, meaning it functions as an object in a sentence. Who, like I, he, she, and they, performs actions (as in “Who rescued the dog?”). Who is doing the rescuing in this sentence.Whom, like me, him, her, and them, is acted on (as in “Whom did you see?”) Whom is being seen here, not doing the seeing. Whom more commonly appears when it follows a preposition, as in the salutation “To whom it may concern.” Does it concern he? No. Does it concern him? Yes.

How do you decide to use who or whom?
When in doubt, substitute him (sometimes you’ll have to rephrase the sentence) and see if that sounds right. If him is OK, then whom is OK. If the more natural substitute is he, then go with who. For example: “You talked to whom?” It would be incorrect to say “You talked to he?”, but saying “You talked to him?” makes grammatical sense.

All of that said, in informal speech and writing, speakers will often opt for who where whom has traditionally been used. This choice sounds more natural and less formal to most native English speakers.


Link: https://www.dictionary.com/e/whom-vs-who/

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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Jim, what is the verb in that sentence?

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:21 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Whoever is doing that verb is the subject.

Thread Level: 10

I'm watching jim's grade school travails repeating themselves. I'm sure he deflected from admitting

Author: BaronVonZemo (46921 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:10 am on Jun 18, 2020
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that he was wrong then too.

Thread Level: 6

I was going to have Jim reach the truth through questioning.

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:24 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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What is the verb in that sentence, Jim?

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Maybe that fuckwit should have considered the national ramifications of his actions

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:03 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Looks like he picked the wrong week to give up killing.

Thread Level: 3

He had 40 minutes to figure it out.

Author: jimbasil (49901 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

Just for the record...I don't think the cop should have shot him.

Author: NedoftheHill (37895 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:06 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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He should be punished some way.

Of course, the very same prosecutor prosecuting the cop said a week ago that a tazer is a deadly weapon. If true, then the shooting was justified. The two-faced, demagoguerish (is that a word?) approach to the law, which changes depending on who the defendant is...that is BS banana republic stuff. We are not a nation of laws any longer. There is just no way that we can pretend we are. Very unfortunate, that.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

He deserves to be prosecuted, if only for gross stupidity

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:09 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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What did he think was going to happen when he pulled out his gun?

This, one suspects, is why his partner has agreed to flip on him. That doesn’t happen much.


Thread Level: 5

What did the perp who stole the taser and pointed it at the cop think would happen?

Author: iairishcheeks (17409 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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One could argue that of the cop was tased, the perp could have taken his gun and killed him.

Thread Level: 6

“What did the slut think would happen, wearing a short dress and high heels to a bar?”

Author: conorlarkin (17122 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:00 am on Jun 18, 2020
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“Of course she deserved to be raped by my client!”

I guarantee you that Officer Rauff’s defense will not start with “What did the perp think would happen ....?”

The Felony Murder charge is a reach, but regarding Mr. Brooks as “a perp” is exactly why Officer Rauff finds himself in his current legal predicament.

Brooks was not fleeing from an armed robbery or home invasion. It was a ticky tack DUI arrest involving an unarmed person asleep in a Wendy’s parking lot, who had been fully compliant for 40 minutes until being cuffed. During the scuffle, Brooks made no attempt to grab either officer’s firearm.

Brooks was running away with the taser belonging to the other cop who had twice used it on Brooks.

Rauff had his taser in his hand as he gave chase. He did not use it. Instead, Rauff drew his firearm and fired 3 shots, striking Brooks twice in the back.

To the extent the defense is that deadly force was justified in a swiftly unfolding scenario against a man who had just overpowered two officers and was firing a taser gun at the cops giving chase, ... go for it.

Would not recommend a cavalier approach of “what did the perp think would happen ...” as it is the quickest way to a bad outcome for the defendant.


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Black Lives Matter .... no more, but certainly no less
Thread Level: 7

I guess he deserved to die, if only for gross stupidity.

Author: iairishcheeks (17409 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:48 am on Jun 18, 2020
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The report is that the taser shot just missed the cop’s head

Author: CC72 (16793 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 3:10 am on Jun 18, 2020
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The same district attorney argued 2 weeks ago in a different case that a taser is a deadly weapon.

I think the cop was overcharged. But with a guy who just overpowered 2 officers trying to put him in handcuffs for DUI, stole one of the cop’s lethal weapons and shot it at the officer while trying to allude arrest, I would not have wanted to be in the officer’s situation having to decide in a split second how to respond.


Thread Level: 6

They will argue that as they should.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:26 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The perp was a dirtbag. No question. Killing him during a national crisis was asinine.

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:03 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 7

Maybe, maybe not.

Author: iairishcheeks (17409 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:09 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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In times of high stress there really isn't time to think about things like that, training takes over.

This is way different than the Floyd situation.


Thread Level: 8

I doubt his training included running after a guy and shooting him in the back

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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If so, then the training needs to be updated.

Thread Level: 5

Easy to say when it’s not you in that second you have to decide.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:12 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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It was a bad decision, but guess what don’t fight with a cop over a DUI, take his taser and shoot it at him. That’s an even worse decision. Not criminal in my view.

Thread Level: 6

High five.

Author: Cole (13829 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 9:49 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Elbow bump...please...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (29628 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:55 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 6

He shot the guy twice in the back. Gimme a break.

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:22 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Then he kicked the guy’s body. Then he let the guy bleed out for two and a half minutes before calling for help.

Has he not seen any TV in the last few weeks? What did he think was going to happen?

Wasn’t this a time to be on one’s best behavior?

Fuck this idiot.


Thread Level: 7

He shot the guy as he was turning. His table manners could have been better but it’s not criminal.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:45 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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That DA is also full of shit as he just charged a bunch of. Ops for using a taser as a deadly weapon.

Thread Level: 8

Again, for the sake of the country, he just had to not shoot any fleeing black people in the back

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:59 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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At least for a while.

He failed. Fuck this idiot.

His partner seems to agree.


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Except those who took your taser and are turning to fire it at your head. That mob humping DA

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:51 am on Jun 18, 2020
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didn’t even wait for the investigation report from GBI. The same mob humping DA who already declared tasers a deadly weapon when police use them to jam up the cops who arrested the college kids. #Railroad job.

Thread Level: 9

Yep, it was just that simple, perfesser.

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:06 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 7

Have you ever done a police simulation training?

Author: MarkHarman (4991 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:30 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Or gone on a ride-along with a police officer? Not so easy when you have almost no time to make a decision.

Link: Not so easy to decide when to shoot, not shoot

Thread Level: 8

Gimme a break. Shot in the back. Twice. During a national crisis.

Author: Chris94 (32256 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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The guy had to be an imbecile. He deserves whatever he gets.

Thread Level: 9

Sorry to hear. Must have hurt.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:12 pm on Jun 18, 2020
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Yeah, that second shot was gratuitous, wasn't it?

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:06 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Clearly, this cop doesn't understand de-escalation. And what an idiot for not considering how BLM and their sycophants would react in the 1.7 seconds he had to make such a decision. Stupid moron.

Thread Level: 8

Exactly. I have. Had about as many bad as good shoots.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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He binge-watched Starsky & Hutch one weekend.

Author: MAS (18663 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:37 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Would love to see you in a moment of stress.

Author: Iggle (9740 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:28 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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I can picture the urine stain spreading on your khakis, you piece of shit.

Thread Level: 7

he fired the taser at the cop while running away, which is why he was shot in the back. I agree

Author: irish93 (1341 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2009)

Posted at 9:25 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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100% with Frank L on this.

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Thread Level: 4

Exactly, bad shoot, not criminal.

Author: Frank L (52749 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:07 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Women destroy communities by having children with men who don't care for or provide for the children

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 8:50 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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