I'm willing to lay some responsibility at his feet for the recent spike in cases due to his poor messaging, etc. However, the mortality rate in the US sits at under 4.5% while the EU is more than two and a half times that at over 11%. Many of those countries are well over 3x the US.
Belgium - 15.8%
UK - 15.4%
Italy - 14.4%
France - 14.6%
Spain - 11.3%
Even Canada is at 8.1%
Those are the numbers despite people in those countries supposedly being healthier than Americans. And they are supported by nationalized healthcare systems, AND had much more effective lockdowns backed by "superior" leadership.
So.....does Trump get some credit here?
Trump’s complete lack of leadership and nonexistent political will to confront the spread of the virus has placed us in a horrible predicament, notwithstanding a decreasing death rate.
Unlike Europe and many other countries, our number of daily new cases continues to soar. Many experts believe we are beyond a point where we can drive down the infection rate because too many Americans are infected.
Trump and many Governors following his lead, were short sighted in re-opening with a cavalier approach re masking and social distancing. All of this recklessness will be counterproductive in getting our economy churning, and making it more challenging to re-open schools.
Trump’s #1 challenge during his term has been the pandemic. He has failed miserably. He deserves zero credit. Just our scorn.
A Wuhan per day.
I did give Trump some blame for the spike in cases.
FWIW, I dont belive anything coming out of China. Same for a lot of other countries like India and Bangladesh for example. Their reported numbers are laughable. I at least have a reasonable level of confidence on the numbers reported by the US and EU.
If you think that’s good, then I can’t help you.
And I already addressed our mortality rate (less than half than the EU).
It doesn’t have an 11% mortality rate. Somewhere between 3-4% appears to be accurate.
that we really won't know everything until much later. If ever. That's why throwing around blame is tricky. Also, it's almost a saure bet that the actual mortality rate is under 1%. The CDC has already said that the true number of infections in the US is closer to 30 million.
THAT we do know from other nations.
The guidelines for reopening were important and set for a reason. The prez telling people to flaunt those and go back to normal is both sick and unforgivable.
On April 21, the 7-day rolling average for deaths with/of Covid was 2,225, according to the Worldomoters tracker. As of today, it is now down to 511, which, in a country of almost 330 million people, is statistically extremely small (for perspective, this time of year about 1,400 people die in nursing homes every single day). Back in March and early April, because testing was far too limited, it meant that if you were getting tested that you at least had a good reason to think that you might have the virus. Consequently, the rate of positive tests was high, and those who were found to have the virus were almost universally “sick,” with a large percentage going to the hospital. A much smaller, but all too high, fraction eventually died.
Since then several very key circumstances have changed for the better. Testing has now become extraordinarily widespread and almost commonplace, with the positive rate in most of the country shrinking rapidly, and a far greater of those positive tests coming from people who are not actually “sick” In rational world, for a portion of these people, getting tested as positive can actually be fantastic news. Not only do they now know to be extra careful in staying away from more vulnerable people (which people like them did not know months ago when testing was scarce), but they also presumably have at least some level of immunity going forward.
Now some will argue that this conclusion is premature and that in “two weeks” (which is inevitably when all the doomsday predictions are due to finally come true) that will change. While there may be a slight increase soon (one which the media will surely jump all over), the data gives us reason for legitimate optimism that, once again, the most dire predictions will not come close to fruition. There is of course a significant lag from the time someone tests positive, and when they eventually pass away. But we are now 16 full days from when this surge in new cases began, and during the “first wave” there was no indication that it would take that long for an increase in cases to translate into a rise in deaths.
On April 4, we “spiked” to about 35,000 new cases in a day, and on April 7, hit a new high in daily deaths. On May 6, we reached our highest daily death count, a number which has been steadily diminishing ever since. Theoretically, we should be seeing an increase already.
But there is another reason to believe that a large reversal of the trend may not be coming. Sweden, a country much-maligned in the media because they dared to not lockdown by government mandate, has “new case” and “death” charts which look remarkably similar to ours, and their daily death rate has recently been down to single digits (shhhh… please don’t tell our news media!).
For the record, hospitalizations are an extremely key metric here (I have argued since the beginning that it is THE most important data point), and there is cause for concern on that front in a couple of key states. However, other than ICUs in Arizona and small sections of Texas, contrary to the perception being created in the media, the hospitalization situation is currently nowhere near a crisis, and there are no situations right now where those with the virus are not able to get needed hospital care.
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We humans feel and then we rationalize. I don't feel threatened by COVID (and I'm 73) but I do feel threatened by the shutdown of our economy and the modern day reign of terror by the left. I did not know that the rate of death in our nursing homes was 1,400 per day before COVID but now that I do I am emotionally unmoved by the current daily COVID death rate.
Really remarkable political blinders.
By any reasonable measure, we’ve screwed the pooch.
Go sort by deaths per million... we did better than most Euros... and half our total is due to the horrific decisions made by the East coast Dems (especially St. Mario's idiot son).
Because of the nature of our political allocation of responsibilities to the states and because of their tremendous diversity, it was up to state governments to manage the crisis once we shut down the borders. Sort the graph by states and you will see that it is the Dem states where the vast majority of the deaths occured.
Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Neither did the dear leader. You downplayed it from day one, like he did. And then he went out and told everyone to violate his own reopening guidelines. Then he even went to holding mass gatherings.
You wanted no restrictions remember? You said there wouldn’t be 4K deaths.
What a pathetic post.
Most of the US problem was NY/NJ/CT.....and Governors Cuomo/Murphy
Now the left is trying to spin that this is a national problem when 50% of the problem was centered in one location
Fits the agenda....like everything else
I think they have been successful...the odds on Trump winning at this point are slim to none.
Get ready for the recession to end all recessions. Looks like retirement will get pushed out 3-4 years
With any luck at all one of the African-American women from Georgia will be Biden's running mate and the de facto next President of the United States
God help us all
And when the death rates go up, you’ll stop giving him credit, right?
After a steady decline over about 8 weeks?
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I expect it to start dropping in the EU as well. We'll see though.
My guess is that rates are low here due to the Healthcare system. And possibly because of places who got ahead of the curve wrt senior and long term care facilities.
I give Trump credit to the extent that the Federal Government supported the Healthcare system and hospitals. He MIGHT get some credit for the fast tracking of a vaccine too. TBD.
getting it seems to be younger than before. Has zero to do with him.
The medical system is also getting swamped with having to treat this, and not treating other things.
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