Shhhhhhhhhhhhhocking! Brace yourself, Rooney.
Ahem..."Nobody is fleeing the cities for the suburbs because of the violence and the defunding of the police, which nobody really wants!"
Buckle up, kids. You may have some new neighbors who don't exactly fit in with your suburban or rural communities.
Link: https://apnews.com/977ea44bef956755e059d8e8072d94bc
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pisses me off.
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at every turn, even though all of the liberal morons in Vermont couldn't be caught dead living in a black or otherwise diverse community.
Diversity for thee, not for me.
Hypocrites.
I just don’t know. Cheese for thee cow farts not for me?
Because there isn't any raw land left in the cities. (For the purposes of this argument, downtown Detroit is excluded).
Besides, Joe Biden is going to abolish the suburbs. He's got my vote. Several votes actually.
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From where did you get the idea that there isn't "new land" in our cities? Have you spent much time in our cities? People build new homes in our cities everyday. It's expensive, but it happens all the time.
I said raw land, not new land. By "city" I mean built up area, not the farm fields in the outskirts. New housing in cities isn't greenfield development, it's redevelopment. It's a completely different animal with much more complex servicing and brownfield clean up issues than straightforward greenfield product. That's why it's more expensive. And yet it still happens because there is a demand for it.
Again, my whole point is this 2020 "white flight" phenomenon is a lot of talk and interesting opinion pieces. Let me know when there is a price inversion and Staten Island housing becomes more expensive than Manhattan. I could be wrong. It might happen someday, just not this day.
Regardless how you wish to split hairs or play semantics, the bottom line is that new homes are built all the time in our cities.
My English words must have different meanings than yours? Maybe we should switch to French? Latin? Sign?
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That article says that construction is up...since March and April. Shocking!
A couple articles noted a trend of more people leaving the cities before this, as well.
I've also posted articles from San Fran and NY in the past that speak to the increased numbers of people shopping for homes in the suburbs or country and moving from cities.
I didn't read the article, yet, but I am thinking construction would be lagging. Housing price trends and market velocity would be more indicative for example.
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I'm happy to change my mind if I see the evidence.
As of right now, it mostly rests on an assumption that white people will flee because they now do not want to live near black people. Rural denizens can't fathom why anyone would live in a city in the first place. But cities all over the country have been booming for quite some time, and there is little reason to believe that COVID or BLM will change that.
We'll see.
I’m thinking NYC will just be booming soon, don’t ya think?
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But if you're saying that middle class blacks don't want to live in impoverished black neighborhoods, yes, you are correct. Like white parents near such neighborhoods, they will do anything to get their kids out of majority black schools that are awash in violence and ridiculously low-performing. BTW, many of those schools receive more money than high-performing schools.
they have too, but white persons don't have too. But what to do?
rural life. You are a fine example of this. I can extoll the virtues of city life. Your descriptions of rural life are based on the ignorant caricatures that are convenient to your arguments.
BTW, I know you will continue to assign me a position on this that you would prefer that I have, but I totally get the appeal of city life in many ways and enjoy visiting, depending on the city. For all the negatives with Chicago, for example, it's a great city in so many ways. Now, your dump, which shouldn't even exist as a place for human inhabitants, no I don't enjoy it. In fairness, I also get no kick from rural southern Minnesota.
The articles I mentioned above note the opposite of a recent "boom." Populations in many major cities have been dropping for some time, on the East Coast, and the Midwest. You are factually wrong, as noted in this article.
Link: https://www.brookings.edu/research/even-before-coronavirus-census-shows-u-s-cities-growth-was-stagnating/#:~:text=However%2C%20that%20number%20rose%20over,%2C%20and%20San%20Jose%2C%20Calif.
I am just guessing that that's where the racial bullshit perspective that you are expressing is coming from.
There are a several podcasts I've listened to on this topic, from (I don't remember exactly, but probably freakonomics and/or stuff you should know). But these podcasts were interviews with social scientists and such that passed the smell test at least to me of knowing what they were talking about. I don't remember their names.
But the general takeaway is that the idea that seems supported by data at the moment is that driven by the work from home paradigm shift because of CoVID, if you could do your job from anywhere, you'd rather not do it from downtown.
I don't listen often, but those sources don't offer that perspective. He receives that perspective from the environment in which he workds 24 hours per week and from predictable sources that spin yarns of omnipresent white supremacist rednecks with MAGA hats in the country.
"perspective" was a poor choice of words on my part, replace with "cynicism" or something else.
Just my speculation: Chris, as an "expert" in academia has two choices either advance original ideas (hard) or find strawmen to knock down (easy). I continue to be disappointed that he chooses the easy path. This is my criticism in a nutshell.
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Chris is a data-driven guy, if you haven't noticed.
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That particular line of argument was debunked four and five decades ago. The smarter sociologists, all ten of them, avoid using that argument now.
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articles it's about interest in the moving our of the cities not actually purchasing or moving. Sales slumped in late winter and early spring. So, no there is no evidence of flight
to the suburbs to flee the pandemic, at least not yet.
Glad you validated the numerous articles noting this trend, though.
validated on information polar opposite to your original post, feel good..
shopping for homes in the suburbs, you would have said, "Wait, wait, wait, just a cotton-pickin' minute! They ain't bought nothing yet, therefore we can't conclude that there will be large exoduses." Yes, that is what you would say in any other context.
the article you posted was about the housing market not as strong this year as last years, by a hefty margin.
You keep getting things wrong. That's just like you.
Remind me again, what have I gotten "wrong," and how do you know I've gotten these things wrong?
But I support your willingness to be wrong and hold no grudges.
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