ACB was the decisive vote. Once again, the fake conservative John Roberts voted with the lefties.
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...if these people never went out into the community between masses. But they do. It will end up in death. Stupid medieval thinking.
Justice Sotomayor: “Justices of this Court play a deadly game in second-guessing the expert judgment of health officials about the environments in which a contagious virus, now infecting a million Americans each week, spreads most easily.”
Sotomayor is a complete idiot. Since when did the Constitution give unlimited power to unelected bureaucrats and "experts"?
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hide in your basement. must be a safe place if that dogface pony soldier uses it as his personal foxhole. try it out for a couple of decades. see if it works for you, too.
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Most churches could easily accommodate many more than ten people while maintaining social distancing and masks. Every other pew, six feet between, etc. Write the rule to address the spacing rather than saying no more than ten people, period. Frankly, it is ridiculous to say only ten people can safely be inside St Patrick's cathedral at once.
I think it was pet shops, groceries? with no restrictions on numbers of people. I see your point, but it does seem that churches deemed "non-essential" is an issue.
Certainly feels a bit off when liquor stores are essential and places of worship don't make the cut.
Happy Thanksgiving
It's reasonable to restrict large assemblies for public safety but not to arbitrarily choose these against religions. This is pure hypocrisy!
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The real problem here, Chris, is that at the heart of it, you don’t consider worship to be a essential activity.
Judge Gorsuch said it most succinctly:” Who knew that public health aligned so perfectly with secular convenience”.
It is essential to us, Chris. And it is protected in the Constitution. Yo don’t get to find exceptions to remove our rights.
You can avoid packed churches for a couple more months and still be a good catholic.
This is not the Middle Ages.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
While I don't think people should be gathering in person, the constitution is very clear on their freedom to.
The government can limit religious practice. Not a controversial statement.
I was going to provide an answer but I am much more interested in your logic on this, didn't want to corrupt it with logic...
Also, ridiculous analogy BTW.
So can the size of church services during a pandemic.
That was the issue here, after all - whether the gvmt could restrict the SIZE of the service, not whether the service itself could be restricted.
Smaller, distanced, masked services are fine. Larger, singing, packed houses are not.
Public good trumps religious practice.
10-25 people church services in cavernous NYC
houses of worship is ridiculous.
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ACLU will join the lawsuits.
The practice of worship is most certainly protected by the constitution.
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The people that are this afraid of a virus that is 99% survivable should shutter themselves in and come out when they are ready. That would be their choice. Like it’s ours to take the risk.
It’s not about your life.
It’s about the lives of others. The ones endangered by idiot behavior.
That’s why it is a public issue.
My local parish has social distancing. Everyone wears a mask, including the priest and deacon and altar servers. Pews are disinfected after each
Service. It is far safer than going to a grocery store or bar or Walmart.
You are completely ignorant on this topic.
The question is not whether churches can stay open. It is whether their numbers can be restricted.
Not all churches are doing it right. The parish that is adding masses (like ours) and lowering numbers of worshippers per mass is not the target.
You have lost it. You don’t penalize those who are doing it right.
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No one really has control over what our 375M citizens are doing? Or what quality mask they are wearing?
But regardless it’s all Trump’s fault?
Got it
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like that!? Nobody wants to keep the churches shuttered!!
point. Thank god I live in a state who protected the vulnerable and is giving us choices. Vacation is going to be great next month. And you know what, it’s going to be packed with people making the same choice as we are.
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He also noted that "It is a significant matter to override determinations made by public health officials concerning what is necessary for public safety in the midst of a deadly pandemic," and that "the limits have changed even as the court was considering the two challenges, so that churches and synagogues now can hold services at 50% capacity."
He remains staunchly conservative about legislating from the bench... or by non-elected public officials.
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Fundamentally he remains the Progessives worst nightmare.
Link: https://prospect.org/justice/five-worst-roberts-court-rulings/
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Sorry.
Just because the Left holds worship of God in disdain does not mean that it is nonessential- esp as compared to bike repair shops and liquor stores.
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For example, churches must adhere to building codes for public safety. There must be adequate exits in case of fire and capacity can be restricted accordingly. That is not an abridgement of the Constitution.
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Masses require every other pew closed, 6 ft distancing, masks, no hand shake of peace, no mingling afterwards,........
But none of this is enough for some because at the heart of it, people are giving glory to God.
Roberts stands fully exposed as the liberal he actually is.
Who new health restrictions aligned so perfectly with the secular agenda? This is jut the same with Climate Change btw.
Link: https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1331847029719506946
Maybe you can explain how a bicycle repair shop or a wine store constitue possible super spreader locations.
This isn’t about liberty. Neither is masking or distancing.
Large masses endanger everyone. Public health should override culture war bullshit.
.....you appear to have disdain for the worship. That is why you object.
You said nothing when Biden street rallies flooded the streets of dozens of cities (Chicago’s mayor was partying without a mask in a mass of BLMers). But an activity where every other pew is blocked off and masks are required, and 6 ft distancing is observed that happens to give glory to God - you object to that.
Chris, you need to be more tolerant of people who don’t share your views.
I’m not defending Cuomo. His rules seem arbitrary and weird.
But the rules should be made according to public health guidelines, not religious practice.
Again, belief is protected, but practice can be regulated.
First, I am not attacking you, I am attacking your intolerance.
Now, Chris, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constituion. A fundamental lack of knowledge in this area.
Think about this. Your private belief is always what it is....no government can affect this. The people in China have an incredibly strong faith. But the practice of faith is what separates the US from China. The US Constitution allows for the open worship and open expression of faith. Heck, this was one of the very reasons our country came into existence!
What is difference between your version of Constitutional interpretation and Communist China or Russia?
The answer here is that there is none. But it is very clear where your political philosophies are going to lead you, and it is exactly this that leads people like me to support Trump.
I think we’re done here.
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