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COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations are skyrocketing, sucking up virtually all resources (beds, equipment, Doctors and Nurses) to the exclusion of the myriad other HC needs...this is catastrophic in several areas of the country.

Our medical professionals, as good as they are, can't predict at 'admittance' which patient with fever, cough, shortness of breath and a positive COVID-19 test will not get worse or die...regardless of age since deaths have occurred in all groups...they all need to be treated according to the same protocol. Expectations may vary by age group, but the treatment process doesn't.

The abiding fear in the HC community is a rampant pandemic that overwhelms our finite resources of Doctors, Nurses, etc...forcing them to turn away patients who are in clear distress...and not just for COVID-19 symptoms...as mentioned, other critical needs (heart attacks, cancer treatments, asthma, etc.) would go un-treated. Doctors and Nurses are not robots; those on the 'front lines' (e.g. ICUs) are being stressed physically and emotionally...they fear for their patients, and for themselves and families. I know this because I have family members doing this, as we debate.

BTW, with regard to the suspicion that Doctors are falsifying documentation wrt COVID-19 deaths...please stop...I would not even broach the subject with our family ICU Doc.

If everyone "Mitigates' fervently and commits to getting the vaccine(s) when they become available, in hopefully a few months, we'll be able to come together and celebrate...let's make sure that such happy days come for as many of us as humanly possible.


Link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

How would you account for these 2nd order deaths?

Link: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/asia/japan-suicide-women-covid-dst-intl-hnk/index.html

it is also true that this is a deadly disease and they still don't know all the variables that make it fatal. One example is a well known cardiologist in our area. 52 years old, avid marathon runner, seemingly perfect health with no known comorbidities. He contracted COVID in March and ended up on a ventilator and on the list for a lung transplant. He died in October. If we knew the reason that cases like this happen, I would feel a lot better. But they simply don't know yet.

If I know of at least five in our small area of 125000 does it mean that nationwide running is a cause in some cases? I don't know just asking?

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Re-read your link. Does it really make sense to you?

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The article references a presentation by someone in the JHU economics department. The presentation was pulled from JHU websites. My guess is it was pulled because it was wrong. The magazine says it was pulled because they don’t want us to have this information. You can decide for yourself.

Link: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

"Based on NVSS data, excess deaths have occurred every week in the United States since March 2020. An estimated 299,028 more persons than expected have died since January 26, 2020; approximately two thirds of these deaths were attributed to COVID-19."

Note the word "attributed." So the "|excess" numbers are only 200,000 and god knows how many had serious comorbidities?

But more importantly, the article admits that "different methods or models for estimating the expected numbers of deaths might lead to different results." In other words, the calculation of what is "excess"n can easily be tweaked.

Finally there is this weird anomaly: "adults aged 25–44 years have experienced the largest average percentage increase in the number of deaths from all causes from late January through October 3, 2020" THAT MAKES NO SENSE...because these folks are not terribly vulnerable to COVID. So what else is killing them?

The excess is 300k, of which 200k are attributed to COVID.

This is from a non-retracted CDC study. Of course it uses modeling that may turn out to be incorrect. However, it directly contradicts the assertions in the presentation by Ms. Briand.

If what you originally posted were true, it would be startling news. That’s why I asked last night if you thought it was true. I didn’t feel like sleuthing around much until this morning, and it took about five minutes of googling to blow the whole thing up.

Our problem today is that nobody brings any skepticism to reports that ‘confirm’ their prior beliefs.

No one has disputed the data analysis

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Link: https://retractionwatch.com/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-student-newspaper-deletes-then-retracts-article-on-faculty-members-presentation-about-covid-19-deaths/

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Sheesh!

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You’ll see why it is not actually so funny that no one thinks it is important to comment on it.

COVID related deaths are actually under-reported.

Under your whack job’s theory, imagine the enormous number of medical personnel from every hospital and medical examiner’s office across the nation who would have to partake in the conspiracy to over report deaths earmarked as COVID related.

And I love the posters who take the position that most COVID deaths were all about to die anyway, and that COVID just accelerated the inevitable by a few days or weeks. Yes, Pope Francis is talking to you.


Link: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debunking-the-false-claim-that-covid-death-counts-are-inflated/

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Brother in law. Lifelong alcoholic. Was in and out of the hospital a few times over the prior year. Liver was failing. Diabetic. Had to have his foot amputated due to complications of the diabetes. Apparently caught COVID-19 from the visiting home health nurse while recovering from the amputated foot. Had to be hospitalized again and tested positive for COVID-19 while there. Official cause of death on the certificate was COVID-19.

He probably would have passed away soon even without the COVID-19, but that maybe played some role in pushing him over the edge. (Probably had at most a few more months to live without it.)

in our family who make it very clear what's going on in their hospitals and those of peers elsewhere in the country. Being overwhelmed to the point of having no more beds and exhausted staff leaves them with little time for debate...so I'll stand in for them. Unless you have a heretofore unrealized "Win" with the promotion of such articles, please rethink what you're doing. BTW, I respect your education and background, so I'm open to your rationale for why we should be debating the actual number of COVID-19 deaths.

Would be interested in their view on this.

The Hopkins study is likely to be apolitical.

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Numerous hospitals listing COVID as a co-morbidity. Administrators are pushing this for financial incentives.

It’s deadly. Cases may be overstated based on false positives or understated based on lack of overall testing.

Deaths appear to be overstated. It is right and just to question the COD methodology. Doing so does not say COVID is ls not deadly. It does not say mitigation is not needed.

Accuracy in reporting is part of what is needed to determine funding.

You said there was no net increase in deaths.

The CDC says there was a 300k increase in deaths through September.

Some deaths may be improperly attributed to COVID. However, there is no denying that there are many more deaths this year than expected.

CDC data is based on what is reported as COD. Be wary of financial incentives.

The reporting methodology needs to be discussed
with an open mind. Many of us here are fair-minded.

comments from family members say that we need to a) continue mitigating, 'religiously' and b) take the vaccine as soon as it's available...do we agree on the action plan?

Link: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=johns+hopkins+covid+deaths&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

It is a disease and it has serious consequences for those who are vulnerable. We should have been focused on protecting them from the start.... not draconian shutdowns and trillion dollar politically motivated bailouts.

It is also probable that there is a lag in reporting deaths, so that net zero is questionable.

But if deaths in other categories are down
(granted suicides are up) then that is worth looking at.

A good friend of mine is a high ranking doctor at UPMC. He claims COVID very real and very dangerous. He also claims the death count is exaggerated. He sited several cases, including a guy who found out he had COVID, quarantined, and
ODed. He died in the hospital with COVID listed as the COD.

Mitigate. I do. Everyone should. But be suspicious of the financial incentives hospitals have for listing
COVID deaths.

COVID kills. Parsing the death totals won’t change that. But examining the methodology is worth a legitimate discussion.

Cheers and good health to your front line family members.

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It's always the answer of the left for everything (except police protection and national security): spend spend spend and regulate regulate regulate!

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