Clearly it should be "Genitalia (at birth) Reveal". "Gender" is more of a fluid situation after all.
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It worked so well that even you got sucked in.
Also, I've always thought the gender reveal spectacle was ridiculous.
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Am I inferring correctly that you are among those who do not care, yet you are taking the time to question someone about why they care? Wouldn't an indifferent person be among the last to quiz anyone about why they care about the issue?
People are needlessly harmed, particularly children. Thousands of them. That alone should make reasonable, compassionate people care. Were you truly interested in hearing why people care and object?
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ADHD rarely comes up here. Others can attest to my skepticism of "mental illnesses" for which there is no apparent etiology.
I've stricken the word "passion" from my vocabulary, but that's how I also get when we talk about doping up kids with Ritalin and the like for ADHD. I'm pretty consistent: adults, stop harming kids with your woo-woo, unscientific conjecture and pills, especially when it is soaked in political ideology, as this issue of transgenderism is.
This is your bandwagon.
I listed candidates for the presidency, and am speaking about figures we all know. I never argued that this board is representative of anything. You inserted that into the discussion. I daresay that I could post many clips, and a major party's platform, and various local and state laws to reinforce Ned's point, but you will choose to be willfully ignorant. This is what true believing ideologues do.
It is the right thing to do to help these people.
It is the wrong thing to do to encourage their illness.
Having said that, I have not yet personally been made to pretend that reality is other than it is by government, or by my company. So, it is easy for me to ignore this issue when I am not discussing it in the abstract here. There may come a day when I am asked to support a co-worker's illness, and to participate in a fantasy world created by the Left...then it will be real, and I will be forced to care by the Left.
The mental illness lies with you.
Another declared that she would have a 13 year old trans child vet nominees for her administration. Left-wing politicians at the local and state levels have moved to legitimize the unscientific assertion that you can be born into the wrong body. I'm unaware of a singly right-wing politician who has pushed to legitimize this false assertion. Do you know of any?
On the other hand do you want to get into a quid pro quo of stupid statements by politicians? This could go on all day.
Notice how you attempt to turn this into a debate of stupid statements by politicians? You're playing games. The issue is which side of the political spectrum has propped up this false idea that you can be born into the wrong body.
Julian Castro made the first statement. Pocahontas stated the second one at a rally. There were many others. Your ignorance of those statements does not mean that they did not happen or were not important. Google them. It will take literal seconds.
I say again: If you are mentally incapable of perceiving reality correctly, you are mentally ill, and you should be treated for that. The Left chooses instead to make the 99.9% of non-mentally ill people pretend that the perceived reality of the mentally ill is actual reality. That is what the Left is doing. It is weird. It is morally wrong to treat people that way, as a mere tool for political gain, without a thought of helping them.
The Left is using these people "as a mere tool mere tool for political gain?" Help me here, what is the political gain in offending 99.9% of the population?
You also do a disservice to folks with actual mental illnesses when you attach this label to others because they differ from your ideological assumptions. There is enough unjustified fear of people with mental illnesses already, without people who don't know anything throwing around that label as a slur.
schizophrenia with paranoia, is the most common example of this mental illness.
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Not worth engaging further on.
Someone has a set of beliefs that you believe to be irrational, therefore that person is a schizophrenic and paranoid. Yep, that is exactly how it works. Out of curiosity, who are some folks on the left side of the spectrum, perhaps even here, whom you have labeled as mentally ill or schizophrenic? What about BLM? Is BLM run by paranoid schizophrenics, given the litany and scope of the conspiracies that they believe exist between all our institutions?
so I will cease and desist. You are right, I am wrong but Ned is still insane.
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Gender Identity is not a mental illness or some new woke "thing." It is biological.
Experts believe 10% of the work force is transgender.
Being transgender has existed forever. Only recently (the past 10 years) has being transgender become increasingly acceptable and safe.
The kinder we are, the more we encourage people to embrace who they are, the better for all.
I knew very little about it. Recently heard two highly accomplished women (formerly male) tell their stories. Incredibly courageous journeys. Both had wonderful supporting parents and siblings.
Reality is reality. A mental inability to perceive reality properly is mental illness.
We should have sympathy for people who have this disorder, not encourage them to double down on their illness. Shame on society for failing to offer healthcare to these mentally ill individuals. The Left is VERY uncaring on this issue.
(And note...we aren't talking about physically transgender people, we are talking about single sex people who don't perceive their sex correctly. You seem to want to blur the lines to justify your lack of compassion on this issue, but that is disingenuous. If you want to talk about the truly transgendered, those born with both sex organs, for example, that is another conversation entirely.)
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Like the macho ESPN reporters and ex jocks who now all hail the Fuller girl when they know that it is the PC thing to do when they are likely some of the worst offenders of the behavior that they tsk tsk now.
Yes, gender is synonymous with sex, and, yes, there are but two genders. What a confused fellow like you means by "socially-constructed gender identities," are what are called, "gender norms." That there are gender norms is completely uncontroversial and demonstrable. What is completely unsupported is the assertion that someone can be "born into the wrong body." The irony of this, of course, is that for decades feminists worked overtime trying to overturn the idea of "female brains" and "male brains," in addition to the fact that the signals for whether someone, usually a child, is "trans," is determined in large part by how much that child or person conforms to particular gender norms. These sorts of obvious contradictions, of course, escape the dimwitted gender theorists who manufacture this claptrap.
Who are these "experts" you mention? Biologists? Please share with us the biologists willing to go on record and state that there are more than two genders. Whoever they are, they certainly won't be furnishing science to back up this claim.
Yes, one explanation is that all these folks were "born that way," and only now feel the freedom to reveal their "true identities." This could be the reason that countries like England have seen something on the order of 1000% increases in the numbers of people, particularly children, coming out as trans. Unfortunately, that explanation doesn't seem to hold up well. First of all, if it were biological, we would expect an at least somewhat balanced distribution of males and females declaring this. Instead, what we see is larger and larger disparity in the number of women declaring that they're transgendered, versus the number of men declaring themselves to be transgendered. Given that there are even stronger norms from the past discouraging men to identify as women, we would logically expect the reverse of what is happening. Second, with all these women and, more specifically, young women and girls, declaring that they were born in the wrong bodies, we see clusters of these declarations in friend groups. It's quite clear that what is happening is driven by environment, not biology. Teenagers and younger girls have friends who declare this, and soon the friends of the "trans" person discover that they too are trans.
Encouraging young women and girls to declare this and helping to push them towards unscrupulous and politically-motivated health professionals is not compassionate. Quite quickly, these girls are pushed to take puberty blockers and even hormones. The hormones have some irreversible effects. We're only beginning to learn of the effects of puberty blockers on them, but sterilization appears to be a consequence for some. Mind you, a large number of these poor kids and young women will regret this course of treatment as they get older. We have no longitudinal research on the effects of pumping kids with these things. As others have said, these kids and young adults are virtual guinea pigs. You can cloak your mouthing of these mantras as compassionate, but advocating and supporting these treatments is clearly not compassionate to reasonable people with moral compasses.
And it has been around forever.
Take Africa, who for centuries, celebrated transgender tribal members.
Then came the Europeans, the colonists, bringing rigid laws to suppress homosexuality and transgender lifestyles. Now, independent Africa nations blame the Europeans for encouraging transgender persons.
Link: Bam!
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study.
I do recall the stories on local news years back of Ritalin scrip being handed out like candy for well-to-do kids in NYC schools with almost any behavioral problem.
They didn’t touch on it being only Republicans.
Seems shoddy reporting...and from “professional journalists”.no less.
A man who thinks he's a woman and vice versa is an individual who needs extreme therapy. I believe 100 years from now it will be recognized as such, and that people in 2120 will find it hard to believe that people 100 years ago really thought it was okay for people to barbarically mutilate their bodies in a futile effort to become a member of the opposite sex.
Authored by my neighbor and newly elected State Senator.
Link: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/tomorrow-will-be-different-sarah-mcbride/1126551428
Well put, Douglas.
Link: https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1274338051746156544
That these unfortunate people "live it" doesn't make it reality any more than the paranoid schizophrenic's lived experience of non-existent hostile attackers makes it real.
Your 10% of the work force McStat is idiotic. Spare me the Huffpost article "supporting" it.
Humans are extremely complicated and diverse.
Gender is not binary. There is a spectrum.
Conversion Therapy does not “fix” the individual who best knows who he/she is.
Five years from now, your post will be deemed barbaric.
You can’t possibly be this big an asshole
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"woke" idiots in the corporate world who feel obligated to list their preferred pronouns in their email signatures.
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XYs should not be allowed to engage in athletics with XXs for example. It's okay in reverse, such as our hero Sarah Fuller. But there's a clear biological athletic advantage to be born as an XY person.
Irreversible hormone therapy and surgeries should not be performed on people under the age of 18.
Other than that, I don't really care about the issue at all. It should be accepted, but not celebrated.
My question was about when you and your tribe were going to take on this barbaric practice of doing blue/pink gender reveals?
Either you object to "gender affirmation" or you treat these people with kindness. It's a ridiculous proposition. Particularly with regards to the children placed on this path, they are largely being manipulated, and certainly let down, by adults in their lives, including people with medical degrees who should and probably often do know better. That is profoundly sad and how could any decent person not treat these kids with compassion? As someone who has interacted with a number of trans kids, it is often heartbreaking. These are overwhelmingly kids on the periphery among their peers, kids who are already desperate to find niches and identities, and to get some sort of attention. You can imagine most of the time about their home situations and the parent or parents in their lives.
I saw the clip from that HBO show on trans kids and the situation presented was a typical one: a mother pushing her child toward this path, even when her child explains how it's hurting him. There is usually either a very, very weak father who gives in, even though he knows it's wrong, or no father at all. My wife had a male student in her 3rd grade classroom whose broken mother pushed her son to wear dresses and toward transgenderism. The boy had a very weak father who verbalized that he knew it was wrong and harming his son, but he allowed it to continue. Meanwhile, his son subjected to harm because his mother lacks the intestinal fortitude to pump herself full of testosterone or mutilate her sex organs, so does so vicariously through her kid. Plus, she attracts attention by having a trans kid and projects virtue in the same way conor attempts in this thread. Additionally, the other 3rd graders were subjected to a profoundly confusing situation, and forced to deal with things that 8 year-olds should not have to deal with in a compassionate society.
Of course you'd let them get the surgery, right?
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Yes, human beings are extremely diverse in abilities, in appearance, and many things. From this, you extrapolate that then gender must be along a spectrum. Do you apply this logic to, say, mortality? Do some people die, some people die a little bit, and some not die at all? Is there a "mortality spectrum," or is it binary? You're making a faulty generalization, concluding that if A, B, and C occur on spectrums, D must also be on a spectrum. Any evidence you might try to furnish will be from gender theorists, not biologists or neurologists.
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Why in the world are we seeing such a media and political blitzkrieg trying to program society into changing our entire language and accepted view of science and gender customs over this?
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expert on this subject. Of course Chrissy hasn't chimed in yet
Yes, Jesus reminds me of myself.
People do not sign up to live a life of despair and daily struggle. People want to be content and joyful.
We know the story of homosexuals and the way in which they have been maligned and alienated throughout history, until very recently. When I started posting here, posters threw stones at the idea of gay marriage. Now, no one bats an eye at the idea.
I couldn't imagine waking up each day, equipped as man, but knowing I was a female in every other way, or vice versa. There were high rates of suicide amongst such people. All that is changing as transgender folks are increasingly accepted and treated with basic dignity.
We should celebrate their journey and conquests. Not an easy road.
I only know one transgendered individual personally. He is a friend of my youngest son. He was formerly a very masculine woman who seems much happier in his new identity. A very good person in either gender. Made me question some of my beliefs on the subject. And so it goes. Life is complicated. The kinder we are to each other the better.
But it's reassuring to hear this! I think everyone would/should benefit from your advice. Be kind! It's so easy.
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The idea that all these people do it, understanding the long-term consequences, is silly. Your argument is similar to someone arguing that there is no volition involved in drug abuse and addiction because no one would choose the misery of addiction.
I'm glad you mentioned suicide rates. If those high rates were to be explained by lack of acceptance and hatred, we would expect to find great disparities in different cultures. For example, we would expect much lower suicide rates in Norway, than in Brazil. Instead, we find consistently high rates across cultures, from those more accepting, to those that are unhospitable.
it's unrealistic
The problem is they are being told, people who are damaged in some way, that this is the avenue to achieve said joyfulness. And it is profoundly misleading and only leads to more unhappiness.
Your story is only one side of this. I used to work with a wonderful attorney. Smart caring great looking - like you and Frank. She was gay, met her kids. Met her wife. Lovely family. The wife decided one day that she was a he. The turmoil, strife and ultimate destruction of the family is the stuff of legends. We have a very good friend, her daughter decided she's a boy. We've babysat the kid...she's not a boy. Absolutely ripped the family to pieces- mom dad grandparents uncles aunts! No one was left untouched by the trauma. It's devastating! I think that is far more the norm than what you've portrayed. Yes people do seek happiness. This is not how it's achieved. Not by a long shot.
Listen you seem like affable fellow. It's likely we disagree on a great deal. It's likely we agree on a great deal too. But this stuff is the making of nightmares. I feel sorry for those that engage in it.
Forgive typos. Sent from phone.
who rides a bike wearing skinny mom Jean's?
Is he trying to figure our what gender he really belongs to when his wife looks much more like a man than he does? Such a quandry
Unfortunately that is impossible in today's environment. Here's one of the last ones:
"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
Link: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
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