Poll: Which countries are more long term economic/military threats to the United States than China?
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Replies to: Poll: Which countries are more long term economic/military threats to the United States than China?
Define long term! They seem an immediate threat and perhaps it's too late.
Our corporate elites are more in bed with the ChiComs than was Intelligence committeeman Eric Swalwell. Biden/Harris look like they shall set up a Vichy government at the behest of Xi Jinping. Our Universities already kowtow to the far east in search of research grants. Our basketball players have Chinese blinders on when it comes to their social justice protests. They all see how China treats the Australians and they cower in fear.
Link: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2020/12/the-great-china-australia-divorce-has-arrived/
True. I hate saying it is too late for anything, but we have to be realistic.
And, now that we have a president who will reverse our efforts to try to keep the US competitive with China, "too late" is irrelevant.
Wakanda.
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Irishize 💯 points 🎄
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By far the greatest threat to our constitution is internal
The guy who wrote this is not prone to exaggeration.
Link: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/23/this-is-how-a-constitution-dies/
You say things like that, and then you support the things the Dems have done for the past 4 years.
Of course, I agree. We can destroy our Republic faster than any external force. We are well on our way to doing so.
As usual, you blame those who call out the threat, rather than the threat itself.
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Let's separate these questions. How do you see China as a Military threat to the U.S.?
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2 points: I'm talking long term, not now. And, I'm purposely combining economy and military.
China is now what the US was in the 1930s. In 1930, the US was not a threat to Germany or Japan. But, we all know what happened. Economic power can easily become military power when a nation is properly motivated...and China is motivated.
Right now, I would rank the US #1 and China #2 in terms of ability to dominate/influence the world.
But, I think those two countries will trade places in the next 20-40 years, and the next 150 years after that will be dominated by China. Right now, they are keying on stealing, repoducing, and replacing all the major industries that the US has. Their economic power will inevitably translate to military power. Right now, they cannot project power like we can. But, I would still argue that they are the biggest long term threat to replacing the United States as the leading superpower. Do you think there is another that is a great threat in that way? I can't think of a single one.
The US economy dwarfed both Germany and Japan in the 1930s
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China is 1930's Germany w.r.t. int'l aspirations, but with deep economic resources of 1930's U.S.
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Thank you, your concern for our economy vis-a-vis the Chinese economy is valid
thus your "fear" of military superiority may be valid too. Why do you think a nation that is an economic super power would want or feel the need to exert military force?
Can you think of a nation that is more of a long term threat to the U.S. than China? I can't.
As to your question, there are any number of reasons, from nefarious to benevolent...often a mix (never let a good crisis go to waste). The public reason is usually security. But, I think China wants more.
China has an imperialistic strategy. Xi has a dream of "One World, One Dream." He seeks absolute preeminence in the world. He believes it is China's birthright. Manifest Destiny, if you will. By 2050, after the PRC turns 100, it will be the world's dominant superpower.
Unless, that is, the United States acts to oppose it beforehand...and by oppose it, I mean economically, politically, and militarily, but hopefully in a successful Cold War II. Trump started this Cold War by reversing actions taken by globalists Clinton, Bush and Obama. It remains to be seen if the Bidens will take their China money and thumb their noses at China, or in return for that money, undo what Trump has done, and hasten Chinese dominance.
Are you suggesting a 30 year war footing? The military industrial complex is going to love it.
How about we mirror China's focus on infrastructure instead. Invest in America not a possible military conflict 30 years from now. China may very well become domesticated by 2050. Be happy to resume this conversation later.
No. I think we can reduce our military if we protect our economy.
Sounds like we (you and I) aren't that far apart.
But, the U.S. already has a base of infrastructure. Sure, we can spend more on it, but most importantly, we need to protect our manufacturing and technology base.
That is what Trump's policies were about when it came to trade, tariffs, regulations, and the like. Let's not reverse that. Trump did the hard work; all Biden has to do is demand concessions from China to improve things. everything is a negotiation. But, if the Biden's are already in China's pocket, we are screwed.
He may surprise you, have to wait and see.
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I honestly hope so. I will support him if he does.
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Here's a RAND report (link) that expands the discussion to include not just China...
but also Russia (try not to be 'reflexive' here ;-)). This is just one opinion, but a phrase from the article caught my eye...
"Russia thus faces an overwhelmingly powerful coalition of Western nations in the economic sphere as in
the military one. It is only by unraveling these ties that Moscow has any prospect of expanding its own sphere of influence."...
So, if the RAND people are correct, it could help explain why we've seen a meddling in our election and efforts to unravel our alliances...our path to the "long term" necessarily passes through the "short term".
You've raised one of our top national issues...much, much more to talk about, and research before any heels get dug in.
Link: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/perspectives/PE300/PE310/RAND_PE310.pdf
Could always invite Russia to join NATO to help offset the presumptive might from China.
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Could happen...if the Oligarchs decide to 'retire' Vladimir to get relief from the added sanctions
Biden is likely to impose (...think Mueller Report and Ukraine "Quid Pro Quo").
Heh. I don't know if that is the answer, but...
India is a contender on the economic front long term.
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If they ever work out social and infrastructure issues, look out.
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Right...and that will never happen.
China has been spending 6-7% of their GDP on infrastructure for the past few decades. India? 1%
China has megalopolises (megalopoli?) with consistent power, water, paved roads. India has maglopolises with people shitting on the side of dirt roads, and factories have to build their own electric generation systems if they want to control when they can stay open (e.g., 8-5, M-F).
India is 100 years away from doing anything. India has tried and failed to take jobs from the United States. That experiment has largely been a failure. But, I guess if you are talking very long term, they should be considered.
Hmm, is there anyone else that corporate America and the American consumer have made into a super
power threat?