Outcome of the Chauvin verdict?
Cities are going to burn either way but I think he will be found guilty and be put in general population to let justice take its course.
Replies to: Outcome of the Chauvin verdict?
He's gonna get served up like a meatball sub!
I think the more telling will be the lengthy of jury deliberations. If it comes back guilty after a few days, then I think the jury will have considered all the facts and rendered justice appropriately. If they come back in a few hours...well the message will be different.
Saw a write up on the jury. I will be VERY surprised if he is not guilty as charged.
Based on their comments, very few of them have the fortitude to resist the Chris94 Society which is right now painting their houses in pigs blood.
Or perhaps they will believe him to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.
This isn’t likely gonna be a hard call, where reasonable doubt may possibly exist but the jury doesn’t want to piss off their community.
They should be able to find him guilty on the evidence with a clean conscience
He’s gonna get served up like he served Floyd up. Got no sympathy for him.
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Ayup.
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Just saw the Maxine Waters quotations - she needs to shut up
Good lord. She needs to go away.
Are her comments worth removal from office? Committees? You know, incitement and all that?
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Just nutty - seems like someone always says something at the wrong time on important issues.
If she really believed as most do, that Chauvin is very guilty of homicide and should be jailed why would she or anyone possibly jeopardize the believed verdict before hand?
Shaking my head.
This is par for the course for her. She has said this stuff before.
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What juror would dare decide to acquit? And btw, has the MSM suddenly reported on Maxine?
Because, we have been telling you about her unbelievable behaviors for a long time now, and you have said nothing. Were you waiting for your MSM signal as to how to address her behavior?
And yes, I agree that Chauvin is likely guilty from what little that I have seen.
He thinks it is all doctored video unless he sees it on MSNBC.
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Every news outlet is talking about it - kinda front page news.
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How the hell does anyone like her get elected anyway? She is harmful and pathetic. Imagine her 5
years from now!
Gohmert, Gaetz, McConnell, Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, J. Jordan,... ???
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Nunes, Issa, Graham, Cruz, Mo Brooks, Boebert, Johnson, Tubberville, Blackburn, Perry, Hawley,
Meadows, Cotton, Paul, Joe Wilson.
Rogues gallery of shite.
:-)
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Probably the same way Matt Gaetz or Steve King did.
Also known as material arguments against direct democracy.
You misspelled, “Predator”.
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You misspelled, “Predator”.
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A guilty verdict is important for society
Not just to prevent violence - but to give a sense of justice.
This is important.
This makes the argument for a mistrial.
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Has he been proven guilty or not? That's what is important. The jury has already been influenced.
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Much rides on this verdict. And I don't mean short-term, post-verdict violence.
A not-guilty verdict would reverberate in the system for a generation. It would do serious damage to an already shaky foundation of the legitimacy of American justice.
This guy needs to go away. It is bigger than him.
Agree that ass hole did not need to do what he did. Almost 9 minutes on his neck and the only
reason the other cops did not interfere was they feared repercussions from him. As far as I am concerned he caused all the agony the country is now going through with Antifa and BLM.
Well said. Sadistic cop.
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a non-guilty verdict will do more to legitimize American justice than anything. It's one of the pil
lars of our society.
do you give out better grades than deserved just because the student worked hard?
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No.
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Justice demands the jury be heard. Without prejudice.
Posted at 1:36 pm on Apr 19, 2021
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Yes, but they are thinking way too much if they don't convict him. Knee on neck for almost 9 minutes
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The primary role of any system of justice is to maintain order in society
It can't accomplish that mission if it loses legitimacy in the eyes of the people.
And this is precisely why the media and our politicians CANNOT be so irresponsible.
When the media sensationalizes, willfully ignores/excludes context, and attempts to frame stories and paint pictures at odds with reality simply to serve an agenda and/or drive viewership, they delegitimize sacred institutions and put lives at risk.
When our politicians grab onto these falsehoods and use them for campaign taglines and soundbites, it does the same thing.
I know you hate Trump for myriad reasons, but this is exactly why his repetitive shouts of "fake news" resonated with much of his base. People are tired of this.
Yep.
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Your statement is exactly what is wrong with society now. Truth no longer matters. Justice doesn't
matter, unless it is the justice that you think is correct. Even if you really believed what you posted, how you thought it was remotely "ok" to put it out there is really beyond comprehension.
And here I thought the justice system was supposed to find justice.
It sounds like you are saying that even if he is innocent, he should be found guilty?...for the sake of society.
Is that what you are saying?
Society + Justice = Social Justice.
I think this might be what Chris is trying to say, but he refuses to clarify his position, so...
Which is interesting, because it should be easily clarified. I think he walked himself into a corner
and doesn't want to admit it, so he walks away. Easily enough done here.
you'd be fine with rounding up the protesters in Portland, locking them up and throwing away the key
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I'd be fine rounding up the rioters in Portlandia, locking them up, then throwing away the key.
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Agree, rioting should never be allowed.
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So, if a mob gets in a position where they can deliver disorder, the individual stands no chance
regardless of actual guilt or innocence?
Quite an enlightened system...
Nope. Not the implication.
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I read it the same as Tttk, care to elaborate how it isn't mob over individual?
Why not just have direct democracy for criminal court cases?
I am not at all saying that judges or juries should listen to the mob
I am not talking about short-term consequences of verdicts.
I am talking about bigger issues. And we all need to hope that cop gets the max, for sake of American society and its relationship to its guardians.
The mob's thirst for retribution is insatiable. Just ask Robespierre.
Whether he should "get the max" should be wholly dependent on the law and the facts of the case. To do otherwise would be damaging to our system of justice and thus damaging to the long-term prospects of civil society.
Pontius Pilate and the KKK went with the people’s choice as well.
Posted at 2:00 pm on Apr 19, 2021
What you are suggesting is Neanderthal.
The jury must be heard.
Society as a whole must accept that.
Was Pontius Pilate predestined? Was Judas?
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I pray for a just decision and peace.
Posted at 2:55 pm on Apr 19, 2021
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No one but Chris can disagree with that. Er, maybe Maxine Waters too.
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It's higher-level thinking. Basic to notions of justice.
Not surprised you've never considered it.
And now you try to pull the "higher level of thinking" card. Seriously? I would call it the lowest
possible denominator thinking. Aragato's neanderthal comment comes to mind.
Hitler would agree with you. Real big picture guy.
Posted at 2:28 pm on Apr 19, 2021
Condescend elsewhere professor. You are making a fool of yourself here.
I would have more luck explaining this to my dog.
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You're likely correct,as it would take that low level of reasoning skills to accept your argument.
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Doesn't sound like you have successfully explained this to anyone.
Funny how, when YOU can't explain your position, it is because you are so smart. I suspect you think when other people have difficulty explaining their position, you think it is because they are so dumb.
Chauvin will most probably be convicted by a jury of his peers.
Posted at 2:51 pm on Apr 19, 2021
Don't condescend Chris. It is meaningless.
Not just meaningless, but predictable and boring. He is,however, A hit at faculty meetings
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Let's see how the board is with igorant fuckwits like you on ignore.
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Temper Temper Chrissy. By the way, how is your pal
Marty? You guys yucking it up in the faculty lounge?
He's been back a few days, and already called posters a fucktwit and plague rat. He might need to
brush up on the board rules. Unless, of coarse, loud mouthed professors are above rules.
He used to be one of the calmest posters on this forum.
If you had told me 15 years ago that he would be perhaps the angriest, most bitter posters here, I wouldn't have believed it. Back then, Jabi would call Obama, "the chimp," and I don't recall Chris once call him a white supremacist and go into meltdown mode. Now, he's one of two posters here who even use that term. Quite liberally, I might add. At the height of the Iraq War, to his credit, he opposed it, and received a lot of crap, but I never recall him losing it. I don't recall him calling anyone who disagreed with him "cow country rubes." Now, anyone who disagrees with him on any of the major issues is a bumpkin, sorely lacking in credentials. He's kind of a case study in how culture and politics have changed in a small amount of time. People are a lot angrier and a lot less interested in what the other sides have to say.
He seems to get frustrated easily.
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Do what you think is best. Peace, brother.
Posted at 2:58 pm on Apr 19, 2021
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Prevent violence? It’s cute that you think it’s not going to happen.
That city is going to burn even with a guilty verdict. It will be a celebration - free shoes, TVs and cell phones all around. It will be considered reparations and the idiots in Washington will call it “peaceful”. You know, like they did all last summer.
The violence is idiotic and should have nothing to do with the verdict but if he is guilty at least
logically more than maybe 70% will step back and say justice was served.
Such a great humanitarian, always worried about justice
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OJ! OJ! OJ!
Posted at 1:37 pm on Apr 19, 2021
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Riots regardless.
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You misspelled, “reparations regardless”...huh, conor?
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It’s about free shoes
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Guilty, intentional murder.
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Give us your interpretation of Chris94s comments Frank... Curious if you are willing to team up on
that illogical thought process.
"The primary role of any system of justice is to maintain order in society"
It’s one of the primary purposes. Another is that there will be impartial justice by the peers of
the accused based on the evidence and not mob pressure. That perception is equally vital.
Having said that from what I’ve seen and heard, I can’t see a verdict other than guilty.
Yup. Hope the jury so concludes based on the evidence.
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Do you hope they conclude the truth required by the evidence presented in court?
My crim law prof always used to say he could never recognize his own trials just by reading a newspaper article about them.
Yes.
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BLM is hoping for a hung jury.
Posted at 11:44 am on Apr 19, 2021
Instant major riots across America. Rage builds toward retrial. More major riots there.
Second degree manslaughter would also cause major rioting.
Rage sells.
The sentencing will also cause rioting.
Never enough excuses to riot. There's plenty of stores to be burned and looted in
the name of justice
This open forum is as bad as Fox News message boards.
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Qwesty looks to be offended,gives his life meaning
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Conservatives aren't as friendly to Fox as you may think.
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Yes, even FNC is too liberal for the true patriot R’s.
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No one is telling you to swing in and post. You can stay away and no one would notice.
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