Reports of heavy shelling all along the front.
The next couple of days will be bloody...and critical.
All Republicans are scum.
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As a taxpayer and a supporter of American interest first, I strongly against even a dollar sending to Ukraine.
The Ukraine war is politics between Ukraine and Russia. The last resort of politics is war. But to anyone outside Ukraine and Russia, this is a globalists' war. This is not the war for freedom, we lost it long time ago.
Vietnam had no chance to beat the United States, and yet they did.
You don't have to defeat an army in pitched battle to win a war. You just have to make the war unwinnable for them, and you have to remain motivated longer than they are.
I get non-interventionism. Is your position really non-interventionist? Or, do you support Russia?
Now, I think our government and media are really war crime in a sense of fooling mass and creating false sense in order to get mass support to send more money and weapons. I saw this from Afghan war. For 18 years Americans had no clue what we exactly performed in Afghan until The Afghanistan Papers by Inspector General was published on WaPo on Dec 2019. Too late and too bad, more than 1 Trillion already spent and thousands soliders died. I am stopping here. I don't think you are not a serious poster here, but I do have doubt on your conservative credential.
I'm libertarian conservative.
1) I'm libertarian on rights based issues (e.g., life, liberty, pursuit of happiness...speech, self-defense, religion, etc.), and
2) I'm "necessarian" on the most basic tasks for government (police, courts, military), and
3) I'm conservative on (a) discretionary issues of government (that is, most government spending beyond police, courts and military...which is to say, I prefer not to spend on such things, but if we must [and it seems we must] then spend in a conservative way) and (b) all issues of my personal lifestyle (e.g., Unlike liberals, I don't want my kids to be groomed for sexual activity in kindergarten.)
As far as foreign policy is concerned generally, and Russia and Ukraine are concerned specifically:
I hate intervention...but I also hate weakness and appeasement because both lead to war. If you want peace, prepare for war. I hate war, but if someone brings war to us (as happened on 9/11), then we need to respond majestically. I don't think putting a base in Saudi Arabia was an act of war.
Most conservatives support Ukraine, do they not?...at least morally, if not with weapons or boots on the ground. I don't think my support for Ukraine calls into question any conservative cred I may have, but if it does, then I suppose I will happily retreat to my libertarianism, because, as I say, my conservatism only regards discretionary issues anyway. I think sending weapons is a very inexpensive way to manage issues like this; I don't support military intervention in Ukraine by the US.
Ukraine and Russia. For outsiders, non-Uktainian, non-Russian, Ukraine is the proxy of the Globalism. This is the only reason that the establishment including so-called conservatives who are really neo con and media care about this conflict.
Lockdowns are not about just temporary closing. The vaccine mandate doesn't just only vaccinate. The enemies who have oppressed us past two years are the one of a much broader system. Climatism, anti-racism, transgenderism, Coronaism, and now the Ukraine. They are expressions of the same force. They are all same thing.
PS. The link is general idea of libertarian's stand on foreign policy. NATO eastward expansion is not weakness, it's aggression.
Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_foreign_intervention#:~:text=Left%2Dlibertarians%20generally%20oppose%20foreign,United%20States%20and%20foreign%20nations.
If I agree with a globalist, it is just a coincidence that the globalist is right. ;-) There are multiple dimensions to politics...not just the right-left axis. I don't get my Ukraine news from US news sources because they turn everything into a Biden vs. Trump discussion, which misses the point. Not everything that happens in the world is because of US domestic politics.
His glorious leader is commanding a hell of a military. All the Russian troops are honorable and obeying the laws of war, huh Eli?
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Notably, "my claim" is a question you won't answer. The answer is obvious, so you avoid it.
This is not an equal opportunity humanitarian war.
Where’s your evidence that Ukrainian military is has attacked a foreign nation?
Link: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml
Not saying they aren’t shooting a prisoner here and there.
But it is nothing - nothing - like what the Russians are doing.
The whole war is illegal. It’s a crime of aggression.
I have no intention of arguing that one side is good and the other side is bad because of war crimes. That is a loser argument. It is like arguing that Philadelphia is better than Baltimore because no murders occur there. Of course murders occur in both places. There are far better ways to determine which city is better...and which combatant is in the right, in the case of Russia vs. Ukraine.
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Ukrainians treating 40% Russians, mostly in eastern Ukraine.
I will say that there is a difference between, on the one hand, a regular army invading a peaceful nation and taking out civilian apartment complexes, as Russia is doing in Ukraine, and, on the other hand, essentially civilians with rifles treating Russian soldiers poorly after the civilians have lost part of their family to those very Russians.
I'm not justifying any war crime.
But, there is a difference, and you cannot equate the two. Both are wrong, but one is far more wrong than the other. I am far more sympathetic to Domer From Hell's view. Woe be to the foreign invading army which comes down my street, kills half my neighbors and half my family, and then expects me, a civilian victim, to abide by the Geneva convention when they won't do it themselves.
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...in the past, I have said that the United States needs to cultivate Russia as a potential ally against China for the next 100 years.
But, two things have changed my short term approach:
1) Russian military is not half of what we thought it was. (Even so, it still could be useful to have a nuclear ally on the border of China.)
2) They attacked Ukraine when we elected a weak president. That doesn't let them off the hook (that Biden was president, and they sensed weakness). It just exposes Putin as the aggressor we always knew he was. There is the advantage that now the Left can no longer justify pacifying him by allowing him to take chunks of Ukraine, Georgia or whatever. But most importantly, Putin obviously lost any moral high ground he pretended to have. I'm not saying that Ukraine's government is pure...any more than I would say that about the United States. I'm not saying that there aren't bad people in Ukraine, any more than I would say that about the United States or Russia. But, in this case, for this war, on this issue, I think Ukraine is in the right, and Russia is in the wrong.
I welcome you to convince me otherwise.
I know that Putin is, without any doubt, committing war crimes for which he should hang.
But my first point is that with Trump, this would have never have gotten this far, so my conscience is clean. My vote was right. So was yours.
I have also seen videos of Ukrainian troops gouging out eyeballs, stabbing corpses, shooting dead captured and injured Russians, chaining them and lighting them on fire, calling their parents, etc.
It's war. All this hell could have been avoided. Like Trump did. That is my point.
I am firmly rooting for the Ukrainians but God forbid this develop into a nuclear war then hell will be unleased--due to the Vegetable Administration not having a clue.
I am not letting Russia off the hook. I am just faulting our Vegetable Administration.
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and stop it with the whataboutisms.
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Dumb from hell has exactly same logic as Jihadi John. No exception here.
I’m sure you’d welcome your Russian comrades in your home to rape your wife. I hear they’re very good at that. Oh, and if you have young kids or grand children….they’re fair game to your Russian buddies, too. That’s what they’re doing to the Ukrainians.
Do you have family? Do you have wife? Do you have a home? You motherfucker sound like drunkard on the street. Get help.
You write like a second grade special needs Russian scumbag.
Ukraine didn't attack Russia.
the reason he changed from a US ally to US #1 enemy in less 10 years is because we had and still have military base in Saudi. He viewed as this modem-day crusader occupying sacred land. That's why he attacked us.
As I've said, I get non-interventionism. I even get isolationism. Neither of those policies would have protected Ukraine from Russia. Eventually the aggressors come calling.
As to US policy, we can talk about whether the US was too interventionist in the past. You may even find me agreeing with you.
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Don’t be an Eli.
Are you excited for Russia's defeat? It will only cost innocent lives, but they are not Americans.
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kept Putin in check. My conscience is perfectly clean. Chris, Conor and DFH are Putin boot lickers.
Anyone who voted for Biden should not be surprised this is happening. They voted for weakness. But, Putin is still the bad guy.
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Denazification is just a dog whistle for deUkrainianization.
I've been there and am in daily contact with folks there and none of them feels like they are proxies for anyone else's battles.
No Ukrainian blames the West for Putin's madness.
They are however feeling not so kind about their Russian cousins.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EBaJDDQymg
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I thought Trump was a Russian surrogate?
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You and Eli love you some Puti pie. Admit it. You’re queer for the little dick-tater.