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Why does Gretch have the worst COVID #’s of all 50 states w/ tight shut down? Multiple choice:

Author: BaronVonZemo (60532 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:08 pm on Apr 22, 2021
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A) Shut downs don’t work

B) Mask mandates don’t work (homemade, reused, used wrong, face touching, etc)

C) Gretch has been padding Michigan’s numbers with retrospective chart reviews from political appointees in
The Health Department and reassignment of diagnosis to COVID of cases not felt to be COVID by treating
Doctor. This allows her to maintain her dictatorial powers.

D) Whitmer, her top aid, and her top health department official were gone to Florida (Whitmer hadn’t even received her vaccine yet, and her top aid was a positive contract trace whose son was at home with COVID) leaving the Michigan citizens without a leader while they were forced to stay home.

E) All of the above.


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Replies to: Why does Gretch have the worst COVID #’s of all 50 states w/ tight shut down? Multiple choice:


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All right then, Baron...you've replied to Conor but not me, so it would appear that you either have

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:37 am on Apr 23, 2021
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me on "Ignore", which btw, I have no idea how it works as I have never used the feature...nor do I ever plan to...or you simply don't want to engage...probably the latter, since MAS' reply shows that he saw what I saw. If there is some other reason, then be sure to send me a B-Mail message and we'll sort it out...meanwhile, I'll continue to respond to your posts when I think that my perspective is warranted...if only for the benefit of other participants.

Okay...moving on...


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Ask one of your family experts to show you how to do it.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 10:13 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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I think you need to shake up your 'Magic 8-Ball'...it appears to be stuck on this reply.

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:18 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Link?

Author: ColeyO (12530 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:21 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Good one.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 11:34 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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See the "Ignore Poster" at top left of the person's text box? It's next to "Send Private Message".

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:08 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Just click that and you're set.

It's simple and effective and fun to use. Reduces the stress of inanity caused by recalcitrant fools. Cheers and best of luck!


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C'mon, Ara, you think I don't know that..as for myself, in spite of a few posters who fit your

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:16 am on Apr 23, 2021
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description of a person you'd like to ignore, I refuse to do so as there are occasions when a substantive and valid point is raised and I believe in open forums and will respect that offered opinion...but that's just me.

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I think that because you said " I have no idea how it works as I have never used the feature."

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:31 am on Apr 23, 2021
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I see you have joined the many others who pay no attention to your posts. Teamwork!

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There's a message in there, I'm sure, but how does one join others who don't follow one's posts?

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:35 am on Apr 23, 2021
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It is possible to put yourself on Ignore.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:59 am on Apr 23, 2021
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While logged in, click on the "More" box in the upper right hand corner.

Click on "Account Settings"

Click on "Ignore List"

There is a box there that says "Ignore Username".

Enter your username.

Click the "Ignore" button.

I sincerely hope this works for you. It has for others.

Cheers.


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Ara, you've clearly missed my point...I have no desire to ignore anyone...ever. It's my

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:07 am on Apr 23, 2021
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objective to join in any substantive discussion...'ad hominems', etc., excluded.

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You clearly asked "how does one join others who don't follow one's posts?"

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 11:26 am on Apr 23, 2021
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I cordially answered in a matter of fact fashion.

You are being obtuse and salty,

Please adjust your persona.

Peace.


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Our perceptions of "peace" don't seem to be in alignment...still, I'll see you on another thread.

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:52 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Well, that didn’t last long

Author: jimbasil (52830 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:31 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Lots of foolhardy citizens in Michigan view the pandemic as a hoax.

Author: conorlarkin (21187 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:28 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Over 2.6 million Michiganders voted for four more years of Trump. Hence, lots of folks have horrific judgment, many of whom deem it “patriotic” to obstruct and disobey public health measures, and/or refuse to get vaccinated.

The virus laughs at such morons, while the virus continues to spread and spread and spread.


https://images.wsj.net/im-178553?width=1280&size=1

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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So if it’s Trump voters, why are FLA, WV, WY, IN,LA, TX, etc all much better? MI went Biden-unless..

Author: BaronVonZemo (60532 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:04 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Option 1: you know that Biden didn’t actually win legitimately in Michigan

Option 2: you’re wrong.
In fact, a look at her worst outbreak states reveals that they are mostly blue.

As for refusing vaccination, MI is well ahead of nearby blue Illinois and Wisconsin, yet we have many more cases.
In addition, the single biggest group that is refusing vaccination in the state is the African American Dem voters who do not trust the government - including your liberal government.

As a proud conservative who values logic, I am fully vaccinated - 6 weeks out from 2 shot Moderna regimen.
You see, that makes sense. There is science to support it. And we are rule followers by nature.
The Whitmer shut down edicts however, no science behind it, no logic. Ineffective. Boom.


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My sense is that virus does not infect folks based upon one’s politics.

Author: conorlarkin (21187 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:12 am on Apr 23, 2021
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But, it does spread the more folks let it.

The entire nation is replete with careless and foolhardy folks. Our infection rate as a nation remains too high. Michigan’s is worse.

And it does not appear we will reach herd immunity with too many folks unwilling to get vaccinated.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Read the post, our vaccination #’s are good, and antivaxers are primarily in Detroit(Dems), yet....

Author: BaronVonZemo (60532 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:19 am on Apr 23, 2021
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the outbreak is supposedly all over.

I already told you that Whitmer instituted a program of chart review to cull charts retrospectively for COVID, and then these numbers are added in. It doesn’t take many to skew numbers.

Interestingly, with the numbers suddenly having an unexpectedly bad impact on her image, Whitmer changed guidelines this week in the supposedly highest outbreak state in the country. She banned further voluntary COVID testing. You must now have symptoms to be tested.
This will, of course, decrease the numbers fairly quickly.

She is a fake. And she traveled to FLA before she got a vaccine (just like me, though I wasn’t blocking anyone else like she was, and I am now fully vaccinated).


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Suddenly, Whitmer Admin decides any COVID testing “requires a referral” (aka symptoms) from provider

Author: BaronVonZemo (60532 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:33 am on Apr 23, 2021
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After long encouraging voluntary testing, Gretch suddenly takes a different tack and prevents such voluntary testing in supposedly the highest outbreak area in the country where one would think such open testing would be more helpful to detect and isolate new cases.
But with no more voluntary testing, the asymptomatic case numbers will drop, and Whitmer’s numbers will improve.

This UM Medical center guideline is from yesterday. (Look under the “For Patients” section down below on who can get tested).

Gretch has shifted because the outbreak which used to help solidify her dictatorial powers is now hurting her image publicly.

We are the same as other states, and I expect our numbers to normalize over next few weeks as she stops the practices that were inflating the numbers.


Link: https://www.uofmhealth.org/covid-19-update

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This instantiation of your post is NOT at all what I replied to...this is your 4th edit...the one I

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:33 am on Apr 23, 2021
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replied to dealt with Biden and the possibility of advising against 4th of July celebrations...this one has NONE of that. If you wanted to rail on "Gretch" you could have stayed with the original post and started a new one. All viewers tomorrow morning will be completely misled as to what I wrote and why.

Is this 'Kosher' behavior on this board?


Thread Level: 3

Baron suffers from Attention Deficit Disorder, unable to commit to his own nonsense.

Author: conorlarkin (21187 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:41 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Yesterday, obsessively giddy that a troubled knife wielding teenager was shot to death by a police officer, Baron challenged why the media would even question the use of deadly force.

I queried whether the Capitol Police would have been justified to shoot and kill scores of “terrorists” forcibly storming the US Capitol on January 6th?

Baron avoided the challenge, asking my thoughts about the Columbus OH police officer’s actions. I replied that it would be deemed a justified use of deadly force as the teenager was wielding a knife per the reporting (as I had not seen the video). I again challenged Baron to apply his standards and “expertise” on deadly force to January 6th.

But, when I posted my reply, Baron had already completely edited his original response to my initial query, now rambling on about the US flag being carried by rioters, followed by his theory that the January 6th perpetrators were actually Antifa members.

Baron unravels rather easily, especially when confronted by logic or facts. I imagine that is how Q survives amongst the disjointed segments of our population.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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I queried whether the Capitol Police would have been justified to shoot and kill scores of “terroris

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on Apr 23, 2021
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all protesters would be afraid if the were shot by police

Thread Level: 4

Stop gaslighting. Baron was not giddy a teen was shot.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 7:19 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Another bold face lie. That is wrong.

Thread Level: 5

He has at least 6 posts, consumed and poking fun about media coverage and LeBron tweets.

Author: conorlarkin (21187 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Never once has Baron acknowledged the tragic loss of life, or questioned what factors led to the child’s mental downfall.

Like many here, police shooting deaths are nothing more than another game of “law ‘n order” political pinball, video entertainment to feed themselves.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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That does not translate to "giddy a teen was shot".

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 8:15 am on Apr 23, 2021
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The facts concerning the shooting in Columbus have not yet been fully revealed. We should all reserve judgement.

Thread Level: 7

Black teen killed/baby aborted, all fun and games to Conor.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 9:38 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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President Biden's success is causing Baron to short circuit.

Author: ND521 (9466 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 2:25 am on Apr 23, 2021
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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COVID-19 does not observe U.S. Holidays...for some odd reason it just keeps on infecting people,

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:27 pm on Apr 22, 2021
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especially those who don't get vaccinated. We originally thought that the highly effective Pfizer and Moderna vaccines would only need about 70-80% of the population to get fully vaccinated in order to reach 'herd immunity'...now with the B.1.1.7 variant surging, we might need closer to 90%, especially if folks like Tampa refuse even 'vaccine passports'.

Closer to home for you, the attached link from Johns Hopkins shows Michigan to be inching up on COVID-19 Hospitalizations...that's not what I would term a "What Me Worry" scenario.


Link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend/michigan

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The original question involved asking why vaccinated people still need to wear masks.

Author: MAS (21603 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:31 am on Apr 23, 2021
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I know you want to take this into more scolding of those who don't get vaccinated, but go back to the original question. The Great Fauci explained that we must continue to wear masks, even after we've been vaccinated, because we can't say for sure that we can't be reinfected at some point. Does that strike you as clear thinking? This is the sort of stuff that gives rise to all sorts of conspiratorial thinking. About a month ago, when the last people, aside from the teacher's unions, had to acknowledge that schools should reopen, Wolensky and the Great Fauci announced that while the science indeed indicates this, we must also take into account...wait for it...wait for it...the "lived experiences" of people, which meant that irrational and hysterical people should still have their judgments heavily weighted in this equation, to the point that their irrationality and hysteria can overrule the science.

Doesn't it make perfect sense to defer to experts like these?


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Thanks by the way for referencing the post that we both saw...as to your comments, I know the

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:11 am on Apr 23, 2021
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statements from Drs. Fauci and Walensky sound 'random' and confusing to the public, but that is because the disease is just that...it (as all virus do, to varying extents) mutates constantly into variants that have never been seen before...as the ID community knows too well, there is a distinct possibility that one of them could lead to an ever more deadly version with consequences for 'All' human beings and not just those over age 60. The career those Docs chose has one objective...provide services that extend lives and the quality of those lives...that's what they focus on every single day.

The reason for continued mask wearing is becaushte what Dr. Fauci said is true...we don't yet know for sure if already vaccinated people can or cannot become 're-infected'...sorry, but it is what it is. BTW, our family ICU Doc is part of a CDC program that is monitoring health care workers who have been fully vaccinated in order to help answer that very question. He gets a nasal swab for COVID-19 every day...answers a questionnaire on-line regarding his temperature and condition...and he'll be doing this for around two more years. The medical community has seen it all (Measles, Chicken Pox, Smallpox, Ebola, HIV, etc.)...they know what they're doing, so if Drs Fauci and Walensky say something, act like one of Conor's 'grunts' and say "Sir, Yes Sir"!...unless you've got someone else with more knowledge about infectious diseases.

Regarding the "lived experience" comment, I personally haven't seen or heard it...not saying it didn't happen...so I can't respond without the context. If you can point it out, I'll definitely give my 2 cents.


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I'll reply to you and others once I've gotten an explanation from Baron, along with a re-write of

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:49 am on Apr 23, 2021
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his own comments regarding Biden, Fauci and celebrations like July 4th.

Thread Level: 5

Boy, you will do anything...er, make others do anything, to avoid responding to MAS.

Author: NedoftheHill (44825 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:44 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Maybe you could let MAS speak for himself as to how close or far I was to addressing his

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:00 pm on Apr 23, 2021
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question...does that make any sense?

As for you jumping into our discourse, I'm guessing there's another reason...care to share?


Thread Level: 7

I just think you imperiousness is humorous, that is all.

Author: NedoftheHill (44825 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:50 pm on Apr 23, 2021
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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"Harumpfh, I say!"...How dare you?

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:52 pm on Apr 23, 2021
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That’s rich ...

Author: jimbasil (52830 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:12 pm on Apr 23, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Assignments for the rest of the class? Do we have to put away our gum if we didn't bring enough...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:01 am on Apr 23, 2021
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...for everybody?

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I have no idea what you're getting at...but I'm sure you'll be able to explain..go for it.

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:29 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Nah, I have every confidence that you'll be able to get it eventually.... Now I have to run off...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:41 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Things to do. Be back later...

Thread Level: 8

LOL, Well played

Author: ColeyO (12530 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:06 am on Apr 23, 2021
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You've got to show your badge first.

Author: NedoftheHill (44825 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:37 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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He’s becoming professoresque.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 7:20 am on Apr 23, 2021
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You talking to me???

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:22 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Travis Bickle impersonation?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:49 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Very good!...exactly...but without the malevolent overtone.

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:15 am on Apr 23, 2021
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European plans for vaccine passports were in place 20 months prior to the scamdemic,fact

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 12:27 am on Apr 23, 2021
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'Ef', I don't want to leave you out...as I've said more than once...if you've got a substantive

Author: TyroneIrish (20994 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:25 am on Apr 23, 2021
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issue you'd like to discuss, 'tee it up' and I'll respond...otherwise, continue to post as you've been doing...

Thread Level: 3

Ty make sure you demonize those who opt out of the unapproved experiment

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 12:24 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Ty pushing the lucrative,experimental,synthetic gene injectables.Wonder why?

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 12:20 am on Apr 23, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

More Covid19 fear narrative

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 12:17 am on Apr 23, 2021
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rolleyes

Author: NedoftheHill (44825 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:57 pm on Apr 22, 2021
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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