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A Pro-Life woman explains why she opposes overturning Roe v. Wade...very likely the

Author: TyroneIrish (20440 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:13 am on May 10, 2022
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same reasons why the majority of Catholics hold the same opinion...here's an excerpt...
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"Things that cause abortions: lack of comprehensive sex education, inaccessible health care, violence against women, religious shame and exclusion, familial rejection or coercion, and workplace inequalities including but not limited to barriers for advancement, disparities in pay and lack of paid parental leave or child care.

Making abortion illegal before addressing these injustices is going to kill women, because women will continue to have abortions, secretively and unsafely.

For the first time that I can recall in my years of being anti-abortion, tales of the pre-Roe world from women who lived it are being shared on a massive scale. (Many are circulating this New York Times article from January and sharing their own stories in the captions.) Social media is a flurry of back-alley horrors."
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I'd also add 'lack of access to...and use of...contraceptives, for causing the Unwanted Pregnancies that too often become abortions.


Link: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/im-anti-abortion-disability-advocate-overturning-roe-isnt-answer

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Thread Level: 2

All Republicans are scum. There is no logic only hate in their actions.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 3:16 am on May 11, 2022
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Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

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Same as Democrat plan in Chicago. Can't stop the killing until we deal with other unsolvable issues.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:51 am on May 10, 2022
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Personally, I would stop killing kids first, and then deal with workplace inequality. But, I guess other people have different priorities.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Your post exemplifies why this country has so much trouble dealing with abortions...you refuse to

Author: TyroneIrish (20440 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:55 am on May 10, 2022
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even try to understand "WHY" they happen...it's like constantly trying to put Bandaids on a wound that won't go away...you have no clue as to why that wound is there...and the really sad part is that you have no interest in finding out...

Hopefully you'll read the attached article, but for those who do want to understand the answer to this crucial question, note that the very large majority of women who opt for abortion (legally or illegally) do so because they are poor (among many other reasons)...and because they never wanted those kids in the first place...

To underscore the problem for poor women, recent estimates show that it takes an average of $272,049 to raise a child to the age of 18...(see link below)
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp

I'll be back to add more to your "Fund of Knowledge".


Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-are-the-1-in-4-american-women-who-choose-abortion/

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Rolleyes. I stopped reading at "Hopefully you'll read the attached article..."

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:34 pm on May 10, 2022
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I shouldn't even admit that I read that far.

You really do not know how to discuss an issue with someone who disagrees with you.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You're 'Projecting', Ned...I know exactly what your stance is...i.e. abortion involves involves

Author: TyroneIrish (20440 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:39 pm on May 10, 2022
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the ending of a human being's development and birth...right?...everybody gets that...but not everybody thinks that's the end of the discussion...in fact 80-85% of the American public...including a similar percentage of Catholics...believe that as tragic as the act of abortion is, it needs to be legalized...WHY that is, is something you close your mind to...to this day, you have refused to accept this fact...

I, and ALL Americans "Stipulate" that Abortion ceases a new life...WHY would the overwhelming majority still want abortion to be legal...that's the critical discussion you are avoiding...not me.

And never forget...I, and ALL Americans want to see the Abortion rate SHARPLY DECLINE...NOT INCREASE OR STAY THE SAME....with that in mind, let's discuss the "HOW AND WHY" of it all.

P.S. Read the whole article...don't be afraid to ponder why you are in a small minority on this issue.


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When does life begin? Her opinion matters little until she can answer that question.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 7:57 am on May 10, 2022
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100% of Americans understand what an abortion entails...but only 15% of Americans refuse to

Author: TyroneIrish (20440 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:30 pm on May 10, 2022
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understand what an "Unwanted Pregnancy" entails for the women who have to deal with that circumstance...come back to me when you're ready to learn...you can get a head-start by reading the article I posted.

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When do you personally think life begins?

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:35 pm on May 10, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Can you break your argument into trimester segments with the percentages of pro and anti-abortion?

Author: JarHead4ND (4262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:30 am on May 10, 2022
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When you use the word "majority," I question whether that covers all who respond to surveys and what are the numbers if the segments are delineated notwithstanding, that some are for none and others for partial birth.

Just to be clear, as a practicing Catholic I am for none until there is a second coming and I am instructed otherwise.


No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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The link and its included graph should help you with the "majority" question...but as to your

Author: TyroneIrish (20440 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:44 pm on May 10, 2022
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comment "I am for none..", I'm hoping that you're not being literal and expecting ZERO abortions in a world where violent rapes and incest exist...are you?

Going back to the graph...that's 47 years of data showing that only 15-20% of Americans want abortion to be illegal in ALL cases...therefore 80-85% of Americans see the need for legalization of the practice for at least SOME cases...and since women in Alabama are the same as those in California, such a legal service should be available in every state.

To dramatically reduce the number of abortions we all need to push hard for better sex education and the availability everywhere of affordable Contraceptives...how do you feel about that?


Link: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/lxocbk8vnu-ls9p2n5ae-a.png

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