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I really don't understand why people in states with liberal abortion laws are protesting, but I support their right to do it. This is exactly how the republic is supposed to work. Roe had good intentions but it was the wrong ruling, this ruling corrects that. If you don't like your state's laws, vote, protest, petition or move...

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And second trimester abortion of elimination of WIC aid & child support. Your body, your choice, your problem.

thoughts on how they would be fairly regulated...including the cost to carry them out.

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...to treat a slight delay in starting (or interrupting) a career as no big deal...to rally to help those who have a crisis pregnancy, monetarily, emotionally, and any other way you could think of, both during and after pregnancy. A societal change in this regard would make for a wonderful society.

Once the baby is born, almost all would be happy they had the baby. And, certainly, the baby, and his or her spouse and offspring later in life, would be very happy about it. There are parents who cannot have children who would love to adopt, and that too should be encouraged as a wonderful act, both the offering to adoption and the taking in of adoptees.

Life is a gift, and a call to all towards charity and love.

You like to quote stats...but then you like to focus on small percentage cases. How many pregnancies are not the result of rape or incest? Most.

things you talk about...but...decades of 'real world' experiences tells us they're not enough...and the data I presented supports that view.

One example is that on average the U.S. has over 400,000 kids in Foster Care...per the linked article...we're going to have to do much more to improve that situation going forward.


Link: https://www.ifoster.org/blogs/6-quick-statistics-on-the-current-state-of-foster-care/

I remember fondly my wife being great with child. And the expectation and excitement of the delivery date. It was a really cool time for us.

Now that they're here, my kids drive us batshite crazy. But that's another post!

Control over the states’ ability to set their own abortion laws. The fact that each state is going to have different abortion laws is compromise of different opinions of Americans at national level. You should support SCOTUS's this week's ruling if you support finding common ground.

than 25% of the states have laws pending that will effectively do just that, thus obviating a Constitutional Amendment...therefore, we won't have common ground...if you don't believe in a total ban on abortion anywhere in the U.S., then feel free to share what restrictions you believe would be appropriate.

Please educate yourself.

smaller. Idaho is ranked #39 in population. So, roughly 25% states are around population of Idaho or less.

2) Even 25% of the states have pending abortion laws, they are NOT total ban on abortion as you claimed. They have exceptions. Take Idaho as an example. life threatening of the pregnant women, victims of rape being minor.....quite a few cases are exceptions. Please check those states laws. So, those 25% states actually belong to 37% group: abortion is illegal but with exceptions. You're either poor in numbers or intentionally mislead with numbers.

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I do not believe we'd have had this without the insane, extreme abortion advocates of the last 5 years pushing for abortion freedoms through all 40 weeks.

To answer the question you will ask: No, I don't like legally forcing rape victims to carry their demon's seed to term. Ditto imminent risk to the mother's life.

But allowing the execution of a baby that can now survive outside the womb is demonic and indefensible. And the push for that freedom -- in my opinion -- is why we are here today. It's a wild reaction response.

late term abortions and understand what would make someone want to have such a procedure...you might want to share what you know about why it's happening, but I'll also do some digging and post what I find for further discussion...but, no question , that's a 'show stopper' for the vast majority of people.

I only know that N.Y. legalized it a few years back and then lit up a building in celebration. These may well be rare, but any is too many. It's indefensible.

Potential silver lining is that perhaps this can all lead to a rational compromise.

country wherever they want.

what are your thoughts?

Link: https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

The religious right are inbred morons that hate freedom because they are too stupid to make decisions for themselves.

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Spoiler: There is no way the pro abortion crowd would ever agree to that.

Pro-Choice cohort since there's no outright ban under any conditions...definitely worthy of further discussion...

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

Granted, France and Germany might be different because the issue is less political there, and they may not have people who want to encourage abortions at any cost like we have here in the US. But, I would assume that pro-abortion groups would maintain a database of doctors who will assert that mental health will be affected if the abortion does not occur.

This is why the red flag laws are feared by the NRA. The view is that it will result in confiscation without due process, due to subjective or political viewpoints of the complainants.

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consensus opinion that posters could rally around...maybe even suggest it to their representatives in government...make no mistake, I will toss in my 2 cents, but I am seriously open minded when it comes to anything other than a total ban on abortion.

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There are circumstances when it is a reasonable option.

...everyone...to consider how it would be fairly and effectively imposed...i.e. with consideration for how they would enforced without more widespread rancor...or at least a significant majority would accept, in your opinion.

Pence, McCarthy and McConnell have already signaled that a nationwide ban is coming the moment they have the majority. The former is going to campaign on it in 2024.

Extremists are in charge of the GOP.

There will be no compromises.

that u are completely full of shit

Because the G.O.P. will not win any of the Big 3 with that platform.

fraction of the population wants a total ban, the other 92% should be able...if effectively organized...to find a way to make their voices heard...if so, there is a chance that we can get a Constitutional Amendment...it's certainly worth the effort.

Let's "Brain Storm" ideas...it's been my experience that just participating in the effort often spurs someone else to suggest a change that most would agree with.

I think we could have gotten the rate down even further, with better education about contraception and access to adoption and such.

If we had focused on the rate, we might have found common ground.

But today you can’t be nominated in either party by advocating “safe, legal and rare.”

Unless you think aborting 20% of pregnancies is rare.

poll that reported 89% of Catholics used contraceptives...it's likely that at least 89% of this board would agree with that stat...so this is actually a big point that can serve as a factor in achieving common ground. (link available on request).

Even Clarence Thomas wouldn’t go after condoms.

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If these survey stats are true, then it should be possible. Easy really. Only need 75% of the states to ratify. It can be ratified without Mississippi, Missouri, etc.

make this happen?

Link: https://fortune.com/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state/

Makes me wonder about the 80% stat being bandied about.

will be the path for now.

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories_of_democracy

Agency' (see link)...and an excerpt...
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"U.S. Catholics were slightly less likely to support legal abortion than Americans overall. According to 2019 Gallup polling, 25% of Americans think abortion should be "legal under any circumstances," while 20% of Catholics take that position, according to Monday's poll.

But while 21% of Americans believe abortion should be "illegal in all" circumstances according to the Gallup poll, only 11% of Catholics think so."
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Suffice it to say, the percentage of Americans who support a complete ban on abortion is, while not zero, definitely small....varying from 15 - 21% (Gallup...see my previous post) to 8% (PEW Research).


Link: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/43663/new-poll-asks-catholics-what-they-believe-about-abortion

in when it comes to abortion...look at the article in my original post..only 8% want a total ban on abortion, the rest acknowledge that there are situations where it should be legal...therefore, there's a clear opportunity for 'common ground'.

Let's do what France does. Ds and the abort fanatics will never want common ground though if it involves a saved life of even one little innocent. The Ds do love their abortions.