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The Supremes just slapped down the EPA and the Greenies. Took away the EPA’s

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:23 am on Jun 30, 2022
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power to impose regulations on fossil fuels and even coal.

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Point of order. Two out of the original three Supremes have gone on to everlasting glory.

Author: ELP (9598 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 1:41 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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As much as I continue to champion the rapid shift away from the burning of Fossil Fuels...

Author: TyroneIrish (20564 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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I believe that due to the myriad impacts of this transition, it is imperative that Congress take the lead in making it happen...therefore, I am leaning in favor of this decision. The EPA can certainly, and should, provide expert input to Congress given it's resources and expertise, however, it alone cannot evaluate all the ramifications of its standards....I'll cite an example from my personal link to the nuclear power industry...which by the way, needs to factor heavily into the larger Climate Change picture...

That example is Fukushima...after the 15 meter tsunami knocked out Fukushima Daiichi's power supply and reactor cooling system, three of the units failed and ended up releasing radiation to the environment. In response, the Japanese government evacuated over 100,000 local residents...including seriously ill hospital patients. They used radiation monitors and readings based on U.S. EPA standards to decide how large a region needed to be evacuated. An unfortunate ramification of this well-intended action resulted in the unnecessary and unfortunate deaths of some 1600 elderly and ill persons. If you read the attached link, you'll find that those EPA standards were set far too low, and to make a long story short, those limits, based in large measure on the Fukushima event, were subsequently raised by a significant amount (I've heard someone say 350X...note: the EPA is still reviewing their "Linear No Threshold", or LNT philosophy).

While I can't say that I agree with all the linked article's opinions on other EPA stances for other hazards (e.g. CO2), I do know that there are significant "Blind Spots" and ramifications that the EPA is not setup to consider all by itself...

Getting back to Climate Change, this is a monumental task we have in front of us...I'd like to see Congress come together...and several Senators/Representatives are doing just that...over the issue, and create new 'temporary bodies' that factor in ALL facets of the problem in order to achieve a solution...and not just rely on one agency...the EPA in this case.


Link: https://reason.com/2014/07/06/raising-the-epa-radiation-limit-will-sav/

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The ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY can’t regulate power plant emissions

Author: Chris94 (36778 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:59 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Seems like pretty basic environmental protection to me.

These justices should just come out with red robes on. They are destroying the legitimacy of the court.


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If congress wants abortion and a green America. Pass legislation. Don’t sit back and blame the

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:17 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Supreme Court for not doing their jobs. The Legislature got elected to pass laws. They are not doing their jobs and want to blame the Supreme Court and allowing them to make law.

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Yes, it is horrible for SCOTUS to make Congress do its Constitutional duty.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:21 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Congress has the ability to pass all these laws. They won’t so the administration and the

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:26 am on Jun 30, 2022
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lower courts do. That is all.

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Exactly. Not the way it is supposed to work, per the Constitution.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:33 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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There is that little pesky thing about unelected bureaucrats making laws.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 11:14 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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Dems don't like democracy. They want SCOTUS and fed agencies to control our bodies and businesses.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:16 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Something tells me it is more complicated than that. Will be interesting to read the opinion.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:10 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Congress has spent decades ceding its power to either the President directly, or to the president in the form of administrative agencies. When they do vote on something, they end up voting on things that push the limits, such that they are effectively daring SCOTUS to rule. We shouldn't be surprised when SCOTUS does rule, given that scenario.

Congress is becoming a do-nothing branch. Have they addressed illegal immigration? Of course not. That would require a vote on a useful law. Agencies are doing all kinds things through regulations, and Presidents are doing all kinds of things through executive orders, that Congress should be doing themselves...which makes the presidential election more contentious, because more is at risk, as a new president spends his first week undoing executive orders from the previous president, and targeting agency regs. So, the country just goes back and forth with every presidential election. Not a stable situation.

Meanwhile, Congress just wants to posture, engage in political theater, and get re-elected (while getting rich on insider trading). Having to actually vote on things might cause some of them to be voted out of office (and then they might have to actually work for a living). Easier to give powers to the President or the administrative agencies.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Of course it is, Chris only read the MSNBC headline.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 11:20 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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It’s a reaction to extra-legislative action and activism by the agencies. Not their job.

Author: LanceManion (7957 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:04 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Surely you can understand that.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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They hit for the circuit !!

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:54 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Well at least that helps the Manchin wallet. But the ordinary citizen gets screwed.

Author: jimbasil (52682 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:42 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Congress could act. Don't lament another opportunity for democracy to be restored.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:06 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The epa and other regulators have been screwing the ordinary citizen for years.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:53 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Breathe deep!

Author: jimbasil (52682 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:15 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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...the gathering gloom....

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:21 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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It actually is the gathering gloom. The quality of life in America

Author: jimbasil (52682 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:28 am on Jun 30, 2022
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thanks to McConnell’s Trumpian picks on the court.

The dark Red Robes of the Republican Nazgûl bring the great destruction.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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The gloom is the Left arguing that the Constitution is meaningless. You will break the country.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:52 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Live by the rules, and if you don't want to, work to change the rules. Don't apply them when it helps you politically, and oppose them (without changing them) when it hurts you politically. That harms the rule of law.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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WTF? News Alert - you have to breathe the same air and drink/bathe the same water as I do.

Author: jimbasil (52682 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:04 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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Rules your goombah GOP are changing and implementing to create a bigger governmental reach and a break down in quality of life.

It's you, dummkopf who doesn't like living by the rules -

So don't use the Moody Blues to change the subject - they wrote those tunes because of gov't overreach and the images of what
a livable planet would be like.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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You seem to be in passionate agreement with my point. Progress.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:01 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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You think your views are so important, that you can ignore the rules of society. That was my point.

And, that is the gloom of which I speak. When a significant portion of society doesn't bother to change the rules legally when the rules block their policy, then society breaks.

I'm not saying you can't protect the environment. I'm saying you should select a legal way to do it. That should not be a controversial ask.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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"the rules of society"? WTF are you talking about?

Author: jimbasil (52682 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:47 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Ha! You reveal a lot with that post. The text of the Constitution is a great place to start. Read it

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:07 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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Live it. Love it. Or, change it with an Article V amdendment. Don't try to get around it while leaving it in place.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Two Americans, one cup?

Author: iairishcheeks (27290 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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Two Americans, one cup?

Author: iairishcheeks (27290 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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Compare our air quality today vs 1970. That’s the EPA.

Author: Chris94 (36778 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Thank God for Nixon.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:02 am on Jun 30, 2022
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I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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HUGE win for America!

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:33 am on Jun 30, 2022
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God bless them every one, and Trump for moving quickly on his appointees.

Author: LanceManion (7957 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 10:32 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Just a reminder for the squeamish sensitive folk who have become Never Trumpers.

Author: ELP (9598 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 10:44 am on Jun 30, 2022
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He keeps his promises and his selection of Supreme Court judges is a promise kept. I am suspicious of Kavanaugh though.

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Trump has many faults, but on appointments to the bench, he acted and delivered.

Author: LanceManion (7957 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 10:47 am on Jun 30, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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I’ll give him that much. It’s why I voted for the idiot.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Jun 30, 2022
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