Why Garland might be reluctant to indict Trump.
Don*t take this wrong, I want Trumo gone as much as anyone. He is an albatross around the neck of the country.
But nothing would boost his standing more than a not guilty verdict.
The January 6th committee repressed any evidence that might have provided Trumo wth a defense.
The standard in a criminal case is "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
Garland sees both hurdles to a conviction and he does not want to fail.
He will be cautious.
Link: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/07/26/jan-6-committee-hiding-evidence-that-absolves-trump-n1615808
Replies to: Why Garland might be reluctant to indict Trump.
DOJ will require overwhelming and compelling evidence to indict a former President.
It appears they have such evidence, but the professional prosecutors have to vet their case and feel highly confident they will obtain a conviction and that the conviction is appeal proof.
And to Curly’s link, Seditious Conspiracy is not the offense that DOJ would likely indict.
That's a real problem when there is no evidence.
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Correct. Which is why nothing will come if this.
Once vetted there is almost zero chance of a conviction and NO WAY it doesn't get appealed if it did. The professionals in the DOJ will have to face a highly paid highly motivated equally talented defense team.
Best case scenario, in my opinion, the January 6 committee should take what they believe is the win in presenting their case to the public, without benefit of it being questioned, and call it a day. These hearings only emboldened Trump and his supporters. They're having the exact opposite effect. Those who hate trump already convicted him. Those who love him see this as more justification of a plot to get him.
The rest of us take the kids to practice, mow our lawns and try to have a healthy dinner ready.
If the courtroom evidence to convict exists, there is a bigger cost to not charging Trump.
Trump conspired to defraud the United States. The biggest obstacle is always criminal intent/state of mind.
The January 6th hearings have offered compelling evidence that Trump clearly knew his Big Lie nonsense was in fact a Big Lie. He took way too many steps thereafter to stop the certification of the electoral count (to include meddling in state counts in GA and AZ) and chose not to marshal resources to quell the mob storming the Capitol on January 6th. The DOJ will need 5-7 solid witnesses and co-conspirators -- who were in the loop. The DOJ will also unimpeachable corroboration to overcome defense attacks against those testifying witnesses.
It is an unprecedented fact pattern. Unprecedented occurrence.
We ought not underestimate Garland's tenacity and determination if, I say again if, the evidence to prove the conspiracy is jumping off the plate.
Agree. And what you just described is a pretty high bar to obtain a conviction.
Evidence, that has yet to be refuted.
5 to 7 solid witnesses and co-conspirators.
Unimpeachable corroboration.
Proving criminal intent/state of mind?
And if one of the measurables is surviving appeal.
Not impossible, but offa! That's one helluva slog. And as Jar noted a few days ago, juries are a different animal altogether. So if you win, he's a martyr and more powerful than ever. If you lose he beat the system that done him dirty and he's more powerful than ever.
Aside from the criminal "stuff" I hope someone is keeping an eye on the political implications of all this. I think they are. I hope they are.
The charging decision requires a very high bar, knowing the nation will be dragged through it.
That is my point.
The flipside -- not charging despite compelling evidence -- means that a President can do whatever he/she pleases, without accountability or consequence.
The fact that the allegation is not murder or rape, does not change the calculus for the DOJ.
Agree with everything you said.
"Compelling" evidence is, in my opinion, a nebulous term and could be the ultimate bugaboo for the DOJ.
Yet you dragged the nation through your primetime, one-sided circus.
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He's typical lace curtain irish, putting on a facade
that he is better and smarter than others.
He is an utter hypocrite who lives in a bubble and defends criminals while condemning accused.
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Folks here give Connor a lot of crap. But I think of all the liberal contributors...
... he is the one most truly concerned with the state of the country, for the sake of the country he served. With no ill intent. For that reason I am always more inclined to respect his position even if I disagree.
Being a Chelsea supporter is something else entirely and for another post.
Oyez oyez oyez, hear hear.
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He certainly kicks with his left foot as the Irish say.
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Not so sure about the "highly paid" description of the defense team.
Trump is pretty famous for being a terrible client and screwing over his lawyers. That's why Rudy and that crazy woman were the only two who stuck around until the end.
Perhaps. But it could be the case of a lifetime. Someone will step up.
The overarching point is Team Trump will get to put on a defense. Something he was not afforded previously. A conviction is no slam dunk. The cases will not be bullet proof and therefore subject to appeal. Garland is a lot of things, dumb ain't one.
Bingo! And trial lawyers are consummate narcissists looking for public approval.
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Glad we got today's Trump post out of the way.
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I agree. I look forward to focusing on issues rather than his personality impairment.
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Curly, you're the one who focusses on his personality. You feed the beast and then complain about it
ad nauseum.
Hopefully, Curly, you take the time to meditate and introspect. In a quiet moment, you might realize that Trump did a helluva job vis-a-vis Russia and that this war, which you vehemently oppose with our tax dollars, just might be your fault, and the fault of other voters like you, who did not support Trump.
I doubt you will be able to reach that obviously correct conclusion, but one can hope.
His personality is the reason he became President and it enflames the other side AND independents!
I see Trump as the Dems greatest hope to retain the WH in 2024, which would be a catastrophe!
This won’t be the only one, trust me. The usual suspect will be here shortly to add to the drama.
They’re gonna get him this time.
Anything to distract attention from their dementia-addled President.
Biden is far worse than Trump... but will be gone very soon.
Even most Dems want him out ot sight.
Biden is worst then Trump? This is where you lost your d**n mind!
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Oh come on, have some common sense.
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I agreed with most of Trump's policies and virtually none of Biden's handlers.
In the end, that's what matters.
You're not wrong here Curls but replacing him can be much worse. You really think world leader will
take Kamala seriously? We are truly fucked and there is no solution on the horizon.
We are going to have to cross our fingers the next couple years no matter what.
I'm praying we make it to 2024 and can finally elect a mature adult under 60.
Because he didn’t do anything wrong.
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But he grabbed the steering wheel. There is even pictures of him going all Jason Bourne on
Agents.
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