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Trump can publicly release the warrant. Will he? If not why?

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:45 am on Aug 10, 2022
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They wouldn't leave him with a copy. They presented it to his lawyers quickly & then took it back.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59942 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:43 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Here's a telling interview with Orange's attorney Alina Habba who is handling the case.

Link: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/08/10/trump_attorney_alina_habba_i_dont_trust_the_government_and_thats_a_very_frightening_thing_for_an_american.html

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A dispute between Trump and presidential archives doesn't warrant a FBI raid on his home, especially

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:48 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Trump side has been cooperating with presidential archives. This FBI raid is unprecedented overreach, very banana republic like.

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Felonies require responses. The Dear Leader may have committed a felony.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:02 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Like all the other felonies in the last 7 years?

Author: WoodstockIrish (14683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Oh wait

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you're praising the GOP for aiding and abetting Trump? Well Done.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Nonsense. Why not appoint a special prosecutor to show it's not about partisan, it's about felony?

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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A "special prosecutor" is not needed...and they are hardly nonpartisan

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:56 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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How about leaving the analysis of the US legal system to Americans, Boris.

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your side has a track record there is no he commited a felony

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:40 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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How about they just come out and say "we are trying to stop him from running in 2024"? Everyone

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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knows thats all this is. Be honest with people. I know its hard for anybody in Washington to do that but how about they give it a shot?

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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Meanwhile, back in the real world...a warrant for the retrieval of Confidential and potentially

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Top Secret government documents was executed on Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home...all of this is decidedly very public and will be expanded upon in due time...stay tuned.

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Patience. The Law requires caution and good timing.. not knee jerk reactions.

Author: Curly1918 (16450 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:57 am on Aug 10, 2022
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The Law requires no such thing. Every one of you guys is talking out of your ass.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 am on Aug 10, 2022
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You were crying"the end of the republic" but were very quick to hop on the same train going your way

Author: BaronVonZemo (59942 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:45 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Reportedly, his lawyers were not given a copy.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 10:46 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Oh yes they were...check out the examples linked in the attached article...standard procedure...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:26 am on Aug 10, 2022
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any time he wants, Trump can release the warrant that was given to his attorney. Don't you think the American people should know why the FBI conducted an invasive "Search and Seizure"?

Link: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/mar-lago-search-trump-challenged-release-warrant-rcna42263

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Good one. The Maddowblog. Remember this one,

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 12:01 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Link: https://www.theblaze.com/amp/flashback-remember-when-rachel-maddow-said-the-virus-does-not-infect-vaccinated-people-2656167061

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Here is an example of a warrant given to John Eastman...it spells out what is being sought, and the

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:50 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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subject of a "Search and Seizure" is free to publicize it if they so desire...and the subject can seek to challenge it in court...let's see what Trump decides to do...but make no mistake, Trump's attorney was given a copy.

Link: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nmd.476086/gov.uscourts.nmd.476086.1.1.pdf

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By the way. I know a little something about the criminal justice system. I don’t need a linked

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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article to explain to me what search warrant is for.

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I could care less about Trump and the search warrant. Im just laughing you watch

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Maddow and she lied to audience about the vaccine. Im sure you watched that episode and held onto her every word.

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Did you find some error in the Maddowblog regarding the warrant issue?

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:20 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Just admit you watched that episode of Maddow and she fooled you thinking the vaccine

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 1:34 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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was going to keep you from getting Covid.

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Ok, then...you acknowledge that a legal warrant was given to Trump's attorney...now let's talk about

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:42 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Rachel Maddow's "Lie"...

First off, that episode you're referring to took place on March 29, 2021...that was when we were dealing with the original (or "Wild Type") version of COVID-19...the one that the mRNA vaccines were designed to protect us from infection...to the tune of a verified "95% effectivity"...the Delta variant didn't show up until May, 2021...and Omicron was only discovered in South Africa in November of that year...

Given the 'Wild Type''s R0 factor and a 95% protection rate, if nothing changed in the virus, and everyone got vaccinated, any epidemiologist would tell you that we would have essentially stamped out the disease...that was the situation when Ms. Maddow spoke...no one knew what the future held, although the CDC and WHO knew what could happen if people did not get vaccinated.

So, when Rachel spoke that evening, anyone who got vaccinated had a 95% chance of being immune to a COVID infection...if you want to castigate her for leaving out the 5%...which was widely publicized for all to see..then have at it...but there is no way you can put her comments on the same plane as Donald Trump's assertion that COVID was a "Hoax"...given DJT's verified knowledge of the disease's mortal danger back in Jan., 2020, that's what could be termed a real "Lie".

Rachel Maddow was doing the American public a service by encouraging everyone to get vaccinated...Donald Trump, in effect, influenced untold thousands to forgo vaccination...get sick...and in too many cases, die...see the difference?


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Spin it any way you want she lied in March of 2021. If she wasn’t sure

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 4:04 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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she shouldn’t have spewed it out. In her defense she probably got her information from the great Anthony Fauci.

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According to you they have all this great evidence to charge him. Then charge him and move

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 1:31 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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forward.

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Of course they were. This is stupid.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:42 am on Aug 10, 2022
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False - per Alina Habba Trump's attorney involved in case.Here's her own words in interview about ii

Author: BaronVonZemo (59942 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:53 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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Link: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/08/10/trump_attorney_alina_habba_i_dont_trust_the_government_and_thats_a_very_frightening_thing_for_an_american.html

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Reported by whom? Giuliani? Of course they were given a copy.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:13 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Actually they were not. They did not leave the warrant Monday night

Author: WoodstockIrish (14683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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It is only recently that they were allowed to have it. They wouldn’t even allow his lawyers to remain in the house. Banana Republic is an understatement

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Link?

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:53 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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"Halligan said the search warrant was sealed."

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:11 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mara-a-lago-fbi-search-lawyer/

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Do you amaze yourself with how consistently wrong you can be, daily, piggles?

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:41 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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I’m not amazed seeing it’s every time you post here.

The constant norm for all you trumpians.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Dim nipping at everyone's ankles as usual.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 2:21 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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The adults are talking, Dim. Run along and play.

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Ah, Piggles got caught again posting his expertise that turns out to be wrong.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:35 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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And poor, Piggles has to make sure the spotlight is on his stupidity. This board is littered with your genius. Well done, again.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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That means until it is executed

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:15 am on Aug 10, 2022
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The target has the right to see the warrant.

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Not a lawyer, but I think it also means they are not given a copy.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:17 am on Aug 10, 2022
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They can perhaps read it. In PA state law, the target only gets a copy if charges are subsequently filed.

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No it doesn't.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:19 am on Aug 10, 2022
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"The search-warrant application process happens in secret in order to avoid tipping off the person whose property may be searched. Any court records related to the warrant application would be sealed. Those records typically remain under seal unless and until a criminal case is brought, and even then, authorities may try to keep the affidavit from public view. The person whose property is being searched is entitled to see the warrant, but not the affidavit."

Link: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-08-10/explainer-trump-mar-a-lago-how-fbi-gets-search-warrant

Thread Level: 8

The words you quoted do not support your supposition.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:22 am on Aug 10, 2022
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I cannot open the link. Why anyone would subscribe to the LA Times is beyond my capacity for understanding.

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I'll copy and paste the important line again

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:36 am on Aug 10, 2022
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"The person whose property is being searched is entitled to see the warrant"

Not sure how much more clear it can be.


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The quote is missing "and given a copy of it".

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:38 am on Aug 10, 2022
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That seems to be something that could be more clear. Geddit?

I am not claiming expertise in this. I had not realized you were also a lawyer. Congrats.


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I see. So you think they were just allowed to see it. No touching! Gotcha.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:42 am on Aug 10, 2022
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Yes. As mentioned, that is the case in PA law. Have you shown any difference in federal law? No.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:50 am on Aug 10, 2022
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So you knew Mary Catherine in 7th grade too I see!

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 11:49 am on Aug 10, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Your reference to playing "I'll show you mine" with Mary Catherine was...unwarranted.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33496 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:30 pm on Aug 10, 2022
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