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I still use ol' slick willy's thumbs up. Not because he used it, but because of how funny the guy from Saturday night live was using it...

For the record, I think Slick Willy was a good Politician, smooth talker, and extremely smart person who rode the wave of the .com craze in the economy. But I also know that he deployed more troops during peace time than any other president the the history of the US. Along with this, he proposed more military budget cuts than any other president in history. At least that was the fact during the mid 90's...

fucker lied under oath = perjury = felon.

had it been one of us, we'd be under the jail.

plutocracy.

The Senate acquitted Clinton on both articles of impeachment, one of which was perjury. In order for a lie under oath to amount to perjury, it must be material to the underlying case. U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright ruled that Clinton's deposition in the Monica Lewinsky case was immaterial to the sexual harassment suit that Paula Jones brought against Clinton.

I take it then that you weren't one of the 61% of Americans who thought the impeachment hearings were total bullshit and that Gingrich should go fuck himself.

lying under oath is lying. if the question was irrelevant, why was it asked? the legal system is also fucked up.

and i'm proud to be among the 39% of people in this country who still believe in responsibility, accountability, and standards.

The GOP machine built an impeachment case against a president for lying about a sexual affair he had with a White House intern 20 years after the Whitewater real estate controversy that comprised the prosecution's original case. It would be like trying to re-try me for getting jailed for underaged drinking when I was 17 by prosecuting me for lying in court about a speeding ticket when I was 37. That 39% of America you call responsible and accountable was anything but that. They wanted a witch hunt, and they wanted to see the witch hunt carried out at all costs--nothing more, nothing less.

But only certain types of lying amount to criminal offenses.

Is the issue that Clinton lied? What President hasn't?

Clinton lied about Monica, and I think we can all concede that. But people who throw around terms like "perjury" and "felon" are just hyper-polarized old farts who don't know what they're talking about.

technical legal definition of perjury:

Perjury is the "willful and corrupt taking of a false oath in regard to a material matter in a judicial proceeding." It is sometimes called "lying under oath;" that is, deliberately telling a lie in a courtroom proceeding after having taken an oath to tell the truth. It is important that the false statement be material to the case at hand—that it could affect the outcome of the case. It is not considered perjury, for example, to lie about your age, unless your age is a key factor in proving the case.

Perjury can be used as a threat. Although it is a very serious crime under state and Federal laws, and while prosecutors often threaten prosecution, the number of actual prosecutions for perjury is tiny.

Perjury prosecutions stemming from civil lawsuits are particularly rare. This is because it is difficult to prove that someone is intentionally misstating a material fact, rather than simply testifying honestly from faulty memory.

so, ok, you're right about relevance (material matter). conceded.

but you're completely wrong about hyper-polarized old farts who don't know what they're talking about.

he may have been the cleanest president we've had in decades. Anyone else have the scrutiny he did? What did they find? He ;ied about a blow job?

And FWIW, I think Clinton was a shitty president.

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about his ego, by avoiding any real answer, his answer was more of a comparison to Dubya's incapability to see past his yes-men and see that there might be a really large problem brewing during his watch. That said, Clinton was part of the problem in so much as he kept Greenspan's stupidity around and took advice from him making policy which was faulty that perpetuated the policies of the two former presidents.

He must have forgot about the Glass-Steagall Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act.