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Board Poll - Simply does the US pull out of this financial mess and get back to a bastion of

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:19 am on Feb 17, 2009
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Capitalism?

The debt is what is crippling this country - the problem is spending - not the answer. Unfortunately we have to purge ourselves to come to this realization - not many are thinking this way - too far gone. If the govt controls the banks then we are too far gone.


"I have two guns one for each of you."

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Thread Level: 2

In my opinion ...

Author: Trucker2 (1573 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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... the way they are going the best that can be achieved would be to postpone the inevitable.

Thread Level: 3

The inevitable being dhimminitude?

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:09 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 4

Dhimminishing returns.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (23226 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:29 am on Feb 18, 2009
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If I read correctly, the op is about the financial mess we're in.

Author: Trucker2 (1573 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:52 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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If you wish to discuss dhimmitude you really should start your own thread on the subject. :^(

Thread Level: 2

The problem is spending, not the answer

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I think you hit the nail on the head with that statement. We are attempting to spend our way out of the mess and it is spending that got us into this mess. We are on our way to socialized healthcare and banks, not capitalism.

Thread Level: 2

No.

Author: Rooney (5521 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:20 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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How can a country that is about to nationalize its banking system call itself the "bastion of capitalism?". In my opinion the US is moving towards socialism, not capitalism. Your banks and insurance companies and carmakers should go bankrupt and die. In the vacuum that follows, better banks, insurers and carmakers will emerge. Nationalizing those industries won't make them better.

I know it's your poll, but I think the most appropriate wording might consider whether the US will retain its position as the world's economic engine? To that question, I'd say yes in the short term, but no in the long term. The Age of the American Consumer (or as Lance has correctly noted, the baby boomer), which has driven so much of the domestic growth in the US over the last decade, is coming to an end. It is causing all sorts of problems around the world (uh, duh!), but what is going to emerge out the otherside of this recession is a world economy that isn't going to look to the American consumer for growth. That growth is going to come from the huge numbers of Indian and Chinese families moving into the middle class, and bringing all that purchasing power with them.


"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
Thread Level: 2

Yes. I look forward to life in 2030.

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:50 am on Feb 17, 2009
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Certainly. Pelosi, Reid, & Obama will straighten this out in no time at all.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (23226 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:29 am on Feb 17, 2009
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Or possibly after the Second Civil War.

Too early to tell.


Thread Level: 3

I purchased my first gun last Friday - just in case.

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 am on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 4

I haven't heard much about the Smith M&P .40 cals but I can tell you about the Glock .40 Cals

Author: FLIrishK9 (4638 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm not bashing your decision to buy S&W, but did want to relate some information.

Most all law enforcement agencies in Florida carried the S&W 9mm when I moved here in '89. Most determined that the 9mm just doesn't have the stopping power needed, so the research started and most agencies switched to .45 cal and most went to S&W. Well made and reliable.

Soon they realized that 9 rounds ain't enough and the switch to .40 cal was on. This time Glock figured prominently in the equation and far out performed the S&W .40 cal pistols. Very well made, fewer moving parts, better warranty, can drop it in the dirt and sand then pick it up and keep shooting, non exposed hammer is nice too.

I carry the model Glock model 23 and 2 weeks ago shot a perfect 250 out of 250 on my department test and 40 out of 40 on the Florida Department of Law Enforcement test (which is mandated by the State.) I honestly don't think I would have shot as well with most other guns.


Sleep safely in your beds because men stand ready in the night to visit those who would do you harm.
Thread Level: 5

Yeah most people said I should have gotten the Glock - basically the same price but the

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:43 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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S&W felt better in my hand and I guess I wanted to buy American - which is strange because I dont when it comes to cars.

"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 6

As long as you buy American when it comes to hos.

Author: FLIrishK9 (4638 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Sleep safely in your beds because men stand ready in the night to visit those who would do you harm.
Thread Level: 7

That is tough when you are in China but not impossible.

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:31 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 5

Let's trade experiences.

Author: Tom Hynes (3629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:49 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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FLIrish:

Both of us have been around a lot of firearms as well as firearm training. As you know, squeezing the trigger is the first rule of firearm accuracy. In the Marine Corps their is a premium placed on being able to accurately shoot a firearm and substantial training in that regard.

I have also been involved in numerous firefights and have never seen a Marine squeeze a trigger under those conditions. Keep in mind, these Marines had also been involved in numerous fire fights.

It is scary to think what would happen if armed and semi-trained civilians ever had to pull out their guns in a highly charged situation. Someone may get shot but it may not be the bad guy.

Tom


Tom Hynes
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Very true. The only person that can tell you how they perform in a firefight

Author: FLIrishK9 (4638 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:04 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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are those that have already done it.

Sleep safely in your beds because men stand ready in the night to visit those who would do you harm.
Thread Level: 5

What is the price range on a Glock .40?

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 6

Non law enforcement officer price is around $350-400. for a model 27 Glock, the sub compact.

Author: FLIrishK9 (4638 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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models 22 and 23, which are the full size and compact respectively, go for around $500-600.

The biggest problem is the fear, floating around the Country now, that B.O. is going to outlaw new gun ownership. This is making the gun prices inflate very artificially.

Glock gets a subsidy to sell firearms to law enforcement at a discounted rate, but we don't get near the discount we used to.

For anyone considering buying a gun: I am opposed to people buying firearms with no or little training. Even if they have military experience. A gun owner MUST be proficient in the handling of their gun, because as Judge Hynes alluded to, if you don't use it, the bad guy will.

Hell, after our police academy training we still have to go through a minimum of 24 hours of training and firing a minimum of 600 rounds before we can carry a gun. I would honestly recommend a shooting school that makes you shoot at least 500-750 rounds AFTER at least 8 hours of classroom training.


Sleep safely in your beds because men stand ready in the night to visit those who would do you harm.
Thread Level: 7

I think I'll just find a McDonalds in the bad part of Denver

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:51 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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and check the ceiling tiles in the bathroom. I probably won't find a Glock .40 but you can't really complain about the type of gun you find when it's free.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 7

Took my brother shooting during my military days.

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Was one of the funniest things I had seen in a while. His experience with hand guns at the time was watching Miami Vice. So when he got his range rented pistol (Beretta 9mm) he pointed it straight down to the ground between his legs and was walking bow legged. Before I could say anything to him, one of the range officers told him to simply point the pistol straight up in the air and not to load it until he was at the firing block and ready to shoot.

I had some training in the military regarding pistols, but would absolutely take a training course on them before bringing it into my house. You could get killed before you even realize you made a mistake...


Thread Level: 7

That price is what I saw - the Glock 23 was $559 and the S&W was $549.

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 4

What did you get?

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:54 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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IMO, you should have a group of at least 3 friends that are heavily armed as well. You need people that can lay down suppressive fire when the time calls for it and with 4 people you can set up effective ambushes with plenty of crossfire.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 5

I am no gun expert but I got a S&W .40 cal - says M&P for military and police

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 6

Certainly better than if it said "REPLICA" on the side

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:33 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 6

The .40 is a good caliber because it has decent stopping power....

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:06 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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and the wife can still handle the thing if you ever need her for backup. Now if you were really smart you would buy a whole mess of AK-47's and strategically hide them around your house and yard.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 7

Kind of what I thought - I did go shoot some guns about a month ago to see what I liked

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:39 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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the .44's had a lot of kick and were much more expensive. A .38 while very easy to use I could not hit the broadside of a barn with. A 9 mm does not have a lot of power and it seemed that the .40 ws a good compromise of all of them.

"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 4

Make sure you file down the front sight.

Author: Tom Hynes (3629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:42 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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TNIRISH:

That way, when someone shoves the gun up your ass it won't hurt as much.

Tom


Tom Hynes
Thread Level: 5

Thanks Tom for you advice. Next you will tell me that asking the hooligans to load it would not be

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:54 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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a good idea either.

"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 6

What the hell are you going to do with the gun?

Author: Tom Hynes (3629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:17 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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TNIRISH:

I have never understood why people feel so insecure that they need to own a gun.

Tom


Tom Hynes
Thread Level: 7

Tom I have felt as you have but I really believe that guns will be banned or limited at best in the

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:31 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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future and well I think that there could be some civil unrest in the future.

"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 8

Don't forget ammo. You may be able to trade a single cartridge for a loaf of bread, next year.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Thread Level: 9

Well not only that, but it's likely that they will be taxing the ever-loving shit out of ammo in

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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the near future so you may as well buy it while you can still get it for a semi-decent price sale.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 10

I have reloading equipment, (mostly Lyman) so I've got that goin' for me.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I weigh every 10th round, so as not to blow my hands off. Mostly .45s, (wad cutters) but some .223 cal.(Spitzer) I also mold my own .45 bullets.

Try and tax that.


Thread Level: 11

I'm anti-tax, so no.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:50 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I need to gain ammo reloading skills. Unfortunately, I'm a bit of a dumbass.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 12

This should get ya' started

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 4:00 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Link: It's not that hard, you just need to be meticulous.

Thread Level: 9

True - all the gun nuts around here are telling me to get a minimum of a 1000 rounds.

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:41 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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That seems silly - but I did get a gun - I just need to go shoot some stuff. I have promised that I will take a gun safety course next month.

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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 10

This whole sub-thread scares the shit out of me.

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:09 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 11

I can see that - I am too scared to load the thing or let alone shoot it without some training

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:55 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 12

Join a gun club. They usually have excellent gun safety & training programs.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 5:16 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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A good Rod & Gun Club will book NRA, Police and Military experts for specialized training.

Here are some of the training courses offered at my club:

N.R.A. Basic Pistol Class

NRA Basic Pistol: Included in the instruction will be Safety, Operation of both Revolvers and Semi-automatics, Ammo, Carrying, Storing, Transporting, Buying, Air Pistols, Cleaning, Shooting Fundamentals and more. The NRA Basic Pistol course is taught by NRA Certified Instructors and the class size is limited to eight people. The course starts at 8:00 am and lasts for 9-10 hours and the cost is $80.00. A certificate is issued upon the successful completion.

NRA “First Steps”: Designed to present the most important fundamentals of firearms safety, handling, shooting and maintenance for the new shooter, specific to the firearm they are using. Will also serve as an excellent review for the person who has had a long absence from shooting and range work. The course starts at 9:00 am and lasts for 4-5 hours and the cost is $60.00.

NRA Personal Protection Home: Designed to present and develop awareness, mindset, strategies and tactics for defense of self, family and home in case of criminal/violent intrusion or attack. Course is built around the NRA concept of “Have a Plan.” Course includes considerable range work on practical and tactical shooting. Prerequisite: NRA “First Steps” Pistol or NRA Basic Pistol Course or an equivalent formal shooting experience. The course starts at 8:00 am and lasts for 9-10 hours and the cost is $110.00.

NRA Personal Protection Outside the Home/Advanced Personal Protection: 2 day course. Presentation-concealed carry, tactical and defensive techniques including shooting while moving. Cost is $190.00.


Thread Level: 11

This scare the shit out of me....

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Our fore fathers didn't write the second amendment wasn't written for hunters.


Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 12

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Seriously, what would these people do?

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 13

I don't know what the hell they would do but I don't like the idea of a paramilitary group

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:45 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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walking the streets.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 7

because the legal system doesn't protect them.

Author: und67 (5651 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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they feel like they have a better chance protecting themselves.

pretty easy question, hunh?


msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
Thread Level: 8

Good luck with that ...

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:34 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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and good luck with the resulting surgery from shooting your own balls off, tough guy.

I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 9

wtf?

Author: und67 (5651 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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please don't use your own abilities/experiences as the standard for others. that was totally inane.

now go strap on your bullet-proof jock before you blow your brains out.


msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
Thread Level: 10

Please, you are saying that you don't like the direction our gov't is going, so get a gun.

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:07 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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You think owning a gun is going to somehow insulate you from the horrors to be wrought by the government, and you are espousing this foolhardy belief in a thread that has to do with the administration's ECONOMIC policies. Please explain what benefit you think will inure to you or others (in this context) from the possession of a gun.

I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 11

I believe he's referring to some people taking to the streets to inflict harm and steal your stuff..

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I believe that the euphemism is "Social Unrest".

Thread Level: 12

I believe this is some alarmist shit.

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:03 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 13

Yep...could never happen again.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 7:22 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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This next one's gonna' make 1964 look like a rehearsal.

Oh...BTW, where is it that you live?




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Thread Level: 14

Not far from there, but trust me, I don't go near the place.

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Feb 18, 2009
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And if I did, my having a gun wouldn't make much of a difference.

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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
Thread Level: 9

That's precisely the reason why I carry my weapon in my ass crack.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 7

Perhaps he's going to protect his Hmong neighbors.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (23226 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:30 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Thread Level: 7

Fill it with ammo and shoot at people that are coming to take away my gun.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:21 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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Plus, it's fun to shoot watermelons and stuff.

Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 8

Splatzactly. I hear toilets are good shootin too!

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:34 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 4

I think a lot of people are half-joking when they say this

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:43 am on Feb 17, 2009
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A number of friends think that we're on the precipice of unprecedented social change for the worse. Seems unlikely that violence would erupt, but one scenario where it might is if the people who are actually paying taxes stop doing so and end up fighting those who aren't. But, lucky for me, I live in a town where handguns are banned, and our biggest neighbor, Chicago, also bans handgun ownership. So I am safe right?

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 5

TJ would be leading the charge against Bams.

Author: jabbadoody5 (16656 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:03 pm on Feb 17, 2009
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

TJ is my homie


Jumbotrons are for big dick playas!
Thread Level: 5

I'd say you're ripe for the pickin... ;-)

Author: ucandoit (2647 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:26 am on Feb 17, 2009
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Thread Level: 5

Probably - I would not worry - Chicago seems very safe to me.

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:55 am on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
Thread Level: 6

It's the safest.

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:59 am on Feb 17, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 2

Eventually, when the baby boomers all die off

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:21 am on Feb 17, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 3

Interesting point - if we have govt healthcare - "well sir you are 80 now not worth the cost!"

Author: TNIRISH (1791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:26 am on Feb 17, 2009
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"I have two guns one for each of you."
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