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The answer is simple...raise taxes on the rich. That's always the answer, right libs?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:47 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/america-s-7-trillion-retirement-crisis-is-only-getting-worse/ar-AA10IGIB?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=82c736d5e8734461b4f2fc1a259617b0

Replies to: The answer is simple...raise taxes on the rich. That's always the answer, right libs?


Thread Level: 2

Do you support a repeal of the R's last $2T tax giveaway to the wealthiest 1%?

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 4:27 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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everyone paid less federal taxes.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:38 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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False, almost all benefit to the 1%. Capped property/local tax deductions also hurt in many states.

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017#/media/File:1-Distribution_of_Impact_per

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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so you’re upset that some wealthy paid more in taxes. interesting.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:16 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Even some of the 1% got hammered in CA, HI, NY, NJ, DC, OR, MN, IA, VT & WI due to lost deductions.

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Here's another perspective.."Inequality is slowing U.S. economic growth"...I know these links

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:56 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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take time to read and absorb, but even a quick look at the graphs should get your attention and make you question the "Status Quo" and what the future holds if no changes are made.

Don't feel you have to respond immediately, but at your convenience look them over and think about what message they are sending...


Link: https://www.epi.org/publication/secular-stagnation/

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Ty... what is your worker pay utopia? Is it everyone makes the same? Is it based on value added to

Author: IrishMac (1682 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:51 pm on Aug 17, 2022
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the organization? How about race or gender? Tell us what your utopic vision is for equality of pay. Also, to insure you are not looking at this with jaded vision, let us in on what your profession is/was and where you were at within the organization.

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Green energy is going to do as much damage to lower and middle income citizens as anything in histor

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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y. Beyond that, it's a global economy, and our lower skilled workers are getting beat. But, hey, schools would rather teach CRT and lower standards so everyone feels happy about themselves.

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LOL...don't give up so easily...let's hear your (substantiated) arguments as to why inequality isn't

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:05 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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slowing U.S. economic growth.

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why do you say it is?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:31 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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"CEO compensation has grown 940% since 1978 Typical worker compensation has risen only 12%..."

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:26 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Here's another perspective...

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality

Do you honestly believe that CEOs are 940/12 times more productive than the average worker?...what's wrong with this picture?

The USA was strong and growing during the Eisenhower years when the maximum tax rate approached 90%...i.e. there was ZERO incentive for corporate boards to throw gobs of money at their CEOs, since the majority of it would go to the government, yet all industries were profitable and growing...and with the (unionized) labor force...this is historical fact...now look where we are...what changed?...look to the Reagan/Bush tax breaks for top earners and corps.

The operative word here is "Sharing"...something that many CEOs today are loathe to do.


Link: https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

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They are 940 times more valuable. Don’t kid yourself none of us could be a CEO.

Author: LanceManion (7642 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 4:30 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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CEOs of today are no more valuable than those of 70 years ago when the ratio of their

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:00 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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compensation to that of average workers was on the order of 20:1...even Bill Gates and Warren Buffett side with Thomas Piketty.

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but what is their pay difference from front line workers!

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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The USA was strong because the rest of the developed world was in ruins.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Certainly a factor, but how about the 90% upper income tax bracket...didn't seem to slow us down,

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:46 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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now did it...the wealthy were still wealthy, but even average factory workers could afford small vacation homes and send their kids to college...not the case today, is it?

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Bbbbut Ty, 'One Percenters' only have a minimum of $11.1 million. They needed the R's last scheme.

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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just do some research...

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Link: https://taxfoundation.org/taxes-on-the-rich-1950s-not-high/

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You are not accounting for "How" CEOs have been paid over time...in the 1950s, it was a rarity for

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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them to get compensated with stock options...the vast majority received cash subject to the tax codes...now much of a CEOs compensation is in the form of stock options that get taxed at capital gains rates...big difference from the 1950s...no?

The attached link suggests a solution...
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An Alternative Approach: Mark-to-Market Taxation of Stock Options
The Levin-McCain approach is not the only possible solution to the stock option book-tax mismatch. An alternative could make use of the mark-to-market valuation of financial instruments that is gaining greater attention in tax reform efforts. Under this alternate approach, the corporate employer could deduct the cost of the stock options at the time they are granted, matching the cost reported on the corporate books just as in the Levin-McCain proposal. In addition, this approach would require the employee to report taxable income in an equal amount in that same year and then subject the employee’s ongoing stock option holdings to mark-to-market taxation each year until the options are exercised, with any gains or losses taxed as ordinary income.

For example, assume that, in Year 1, a corporation grants an employee options to buy shares at a fixed strike price for the next 10 years, providing compensation estimated to be worth $10 million. Under this alternate proposal, in Year 1 the employer would record $10 million on its books as a compensation expense and deduct $10 million from its income for tax purposes. That same year, the employee would report $10 million in taxable income.

In Year 2, assume the value of the stock rises, and the value of the employee’s stock option holdings increases by $3 million over the previous year. The employer would not be able to claim an increased tax deduction, because the estimated value it recorded on the grant date was designed to take into account future fluctuations in the value of the options. At the same time, because the options actually increased in market value, the employee would report another $3 million in income for Year 2, to be taxed at ordinary rates.

Assume in Year 3, the stock options lose value. The employee would be able to use those losses to offset other taxable income.

Senator Ron Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, introduced a bill in the previous Congress called the Modernization of Derivatives Act, which would subject derivatives to mark-to-market taxation and tax the gains at ordinary income tax rates on an annual basis. Stock options are derivatives, since they derive their value from the underlying stock. However, as currently written, the Wyden bill would exempt derivatives that are paid as compensation. A better approach would be to drop that exemption, limit corporate tax deductions for stock option compensation to the value reported on the corporate books in the year the compensation was granted, and tax employees on the ongoing mark-to-market value of their stock option holdings until the options are exercised.
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What do think about this?


Link: https://itep.org/how-congress-can-stop-corporations-from-using-stock-options-to-dodge-taxes/

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should an A list actor make so much more than the SAG worker running errands for said actor?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:39 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Are you opposed to a progressive tax policy?...if the A list actor can draw billions in revenue

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:54 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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for the producer, pay him/her an appropriate percentage of the gross...but then tax him/her at a significantly higher rate than the SAG actor.

See the link for a rationale as to why Progressive Tax Policies are beneficial.


Link: https://economics.mit.edu/files/6820

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why do you give an a list actor a pass but not a ceo?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:18 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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An A List actor is likely to vote D.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 6:28 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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It’s interesting that the notion that some can escape govt dependence bothers people.

Author: LanceManion (7642 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 2:26 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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In fact, it’s fairly horrifying. The goal should be to have the largest percentage of the population possible self-sufficient. But if anything our systems drastically move away from that: education, healthcare, etc

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:23 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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it creates a weaker country.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:44 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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