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understand the disorder and then go on to mindlessly join others in making those persons' lives so unbearable that they actually commit suicide.

Your posting is not helpful.


Link: https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-shows-transgender-people-who-receive-gender-affirming-surgery-are-significantly-less-likely-to-experience-psychological-distress-or-suicidal-ideation/

The numbers explosion suggests this is nurture not nature. It's a political decision at the behest of the parents.

But you're on record being ok with harming children.

cause for the disorder...tag, you're it...back up your statement.

The number of people, especially kids, claiming to suffer is astronomical. Parents pushing and being fluid is trendy.

opinion...and I'm supposed to take you seriously?...that's not how things work in the real world...find a credible source, or sources that back up your contention...otherwise, you're wasting time.

Too politically charged. People like you would threaten or dox or worse if they went against gay mafia orthodoxy. You know this. Any true look into the issue would be immediately silenced.

But you support child abuse in the most grotesque manner, so......you're hardly one to discuss this matter honestly.

Or doing so without at least first trying to treat the psychological problem: That they think they're a different gender than their biological reality.

Immediately racing to pump them full of harmful substances and surgeries is "not helpful."

there you'll see the process that I'm sure ALL eventual surgery choices go through...e.g. Step 1: Mental Health Evaluation.

It only takes one minute to click and read...stop being so lazy.

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So, we have a mental disorder of Gender Dysphoria. How do we treat it.

The Right: Treat it like any other delusional mental illness, to try to caringly bring the person back to a correct perception of reality.

The Left: Pretend the mental illness is not actually a mental illness. Encourage people to try to change reality to conform to their delusional perception by state endorsed genital mutilation.. Pass laws to endorse this approach, and to force all other people to participate in a rare delusion, and even to celebrate the disorder. Call those who disagree with this approach bigots.

One of these approaches cares about the patient, and wants to help them perceive reality correctly. The other, the left's approach, uses the patient for political gain.

to help people with "Gender Identity Disorder (GIP)", or "Gender Dysphoria"...which ever term you'd like, but as I said...and the attached link from Medical/Psychiatric professionals says...the causes can be multi-variate...both "Nature and Nurture"...thus far you appear to totally ignore the "Nature" or biological aspects of this disorder and think all you have to do is 'Talk' people out of their misconceptions or 'delusions'...in spite of thousands of people becoming very pleased with either hormone therapy, or actual surgical intervention...these are facts you refuse to accept.

You SAY you understand why we have "Psychiatrists" who prescribe medications that deal with biological issues...yet, you refuse to accept that those methods might in any way be applicable to Gender Dysphoria...why would you take this stance when a) you have no professional standing, and b) no one with standing has convincingly proven that there is no biological cause.

Politicization of this issue allows you to keep FACTS and DATA out of it...the facts are that many thousands of people are responding well to professional care that involves a) Counseling, b) Hormone Treatment, or c) Trans-Gender Surgery...let's let the professionals do their job, and you go back to whatever it is that you do.


Link: https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx

acknowledgment that 'all is not normal'...just stop trying to misrepresent my comments.

As for simply counseling such patients...think for a moment...there are "Psychologists", who provide counseling, but that service does not address all mental illnesses...therefore, we have "Psychiatrists" who go to Medical School because often times there are "Medical/Biological" issues involved...and at this time it is not clear how much 'Biology' influences this disorder, but evidence seems to show that medical treatments can be very effective...if you're willing to investigate that approach.

Ned, you repeatedly show an unwillingness to become well informed...this is just one more topic...if you are having a hard time adjusting, then seek some assistance.

In the meantime...regarding this thread's topic take a positive step and read the links I provided.

I agree that mental illness has a physical aspect to it, and that medicine has a place. Don't act like I believe something that I don't.

I just oppose the Left's efforts to endorse mental illness rather than treat it.

I'm against genital mutilation of the mentally ill, especially of the young. I would rather treat their mental illness.

I'm against the use of medicines to encourage the illness to develop further, like the Left wants to do. That is evil. It just is. It's a simple issue from that respect. it only gets complicated when you try to support the evil by obfuscating what is really happening.

I would like to invite you to show some sympathy for these people, and try to help them, not make their illness worse so you can win political points with uninformed people.

At least when it is performed as part of a tribal ritual in another country, but it's totally fine if we do it to our young people because they have a mental problem and can't accept reality.

And for Ty, the most important paragraph in that link is below:

"Recent attempts to test the theory that gender-affirming surgeries are associated with better mental health outcomes among transgender and gender diverse people have yielded mixed results. A 2010 meta-analysis of 1,833 transgender and gender diverse people across 28 studies concluded that there was “low-quality evidence” that gender-affirming surgery would result in positive mental health outcomes. Although a 2019 study of 2,679 transgender people demonstrated an association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced utilization of mental health treatment, a correction to the study issued in 2020 reported no mental health benefits after comparison with a control group of transgender people who had not yet undergone surgery."

Schizophrenia, per the Mayo Clinic, is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling. If we apply the same idea to them as you do gender dysphoria we would all have to just know that a person is schizophrenic and act like whatever hallucinations and delusions are completely normal and "play along." Do you really think this is the best course of treatment?

“In light of this study’s results, gender-affirming surgeries should be made available for transgender and gender diverse people who seek them, and we should work to remove barriers to gender-affirming surgery such as insurance exclusions for such care.”
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This whole topic of "Gender Dysphoria" has not evaded the attention of U.S. psychologists and psychiatrists...there's no need for you to come out of 'left field' and declare that the disorder is merely a form of 'Schizophrenia'...but hey, if you have a study or two that advocates such an hypothesis, let's have it...frankly though, I'm a bit concerned that you may be exhibiting a facet of that disorder, when i look at part of Webster's definition..."NOTE: Schizophrenia often involves an inability to orient oneself with reality..."

...in this case, the reality is that hormone therapy and sometimes surgery have demonstrated satisfactory mental health outcomes...why are you unable to accept that fact?

I read it prior to responding, and what I said was that was the most important paragraph, not that it was the only paragraph, or that I stopped at that paragraph. The article, like you, decides that because one new study has the results that they want, they are willing to throw out at least 29 previous studies that showed what they didn't want. I would say that the mountain of evidence to the other side, that it has little to no impact, would at least give you pause to consider that maybe the new one is the outlier. That would be the rational way to look at it, which is why your silly diagnosis of me falls flat. I'll take it as you just trying to be funny, rather than an insult.

The schizophrenia portion was not me trying to reclassify it out of left field, and you trying to say it was is either intellectually dishonest or a lack of reading skills. It was an example to show that this is not the only mental disorder to cause a break from reality. We don't indulge other breaks from reality, and we shouldn't do it with gender dysphoria. The brain has not finished developing until around age 25. We give people adult status at age 18, which is likely too early to really make this choice, in my opinion, as is also evident by the growing voices of former trans people who are coming out against it after finally realizing that they really aren't what they thought they were. But you probably don't listen to them since they don't say what you agree with.

Go watch the Manti documentary and come back and tell me how much the person who catfished him was then and currently is in their right mind and completely grounded in reality.

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issue...(see link)...and here is a key observation from that report...
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The youngest patient undergoing gender-affirming surgery in the sample was age 14 at the time of mastectomy and the oldest patient was 76 at the time of vaginoplasty.
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Much of your concern involves ages for diagnosis of GID, rather than actual surgeries...and you fail to account for the process involved before surgery, which by no means is chosen by all GID patients...(see link below)...

https://www.webmd.com/sex/news/20150422/transgender-homomes-surgery

Hope this makes you feel better, or at least lowers your BP a bit.


Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5977951/

Cheers.

I swear I've seen this arrogant idiocy before.

And it happens here all the time. No context. No background. Just a random angry post about something that barely happens below the age of adult consent.

Must be miserable living like that.

"In fact, you are weird if you care about the things we care about, so just let it go already."

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I notice everyone else has figured that out as well

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Stop and smell the hydrangea.

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And I bet you hug or a snuggle or something that he has none. He saw or read something that spiked his dopamine and he decided to post.

And it takes about 2 seconds to find out that “mutilations” below the age of consent are virtually nonexistent.

can scan this page alone -- one might say it takes a "matter of seconds" -- and see that the vast majority of threads involve the economy, the November elections, the border crisis, and various conor posts labeling Republicans as bad people. The vast majority. Which of those topics do you think are minor issues? I spot only one that is indicative of character and possibly psychological defect or deficiency.

Perhaps a better way of going about this is to ask you what you think are sufficiently big societal issues that should be discussed here? What would those be? You'll have to forgive me, but sometimes you give the impression of suffering from Lehigh Syndrome: "If I haven't heard of an issue, how on earth could it be important?"

Surgeries that we are discussing are almost always preceded by the prescription of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. If you're unaware of how commonly these are being prescribed to teens and pre-teens within this cohort, you don't understand the issue. This is also available to you in a matter seconds via Google. The youngest student I have had who was started on cross-sex hormones was 14, but she probably started on them at 13, given the middle school photo I saw. I have had several students who "identify" as "trans," and this is in what you would consider rural areas. Anyone in education understands how pervasive this is becoming, particularly among girls, where it is a social contagion. It's heartbreaking.

There are perhaps a few thousand minors who have had these surgeries. Is that insignificant? There were more school shootings 30 years ago than today. In total over those 30 years, we are talking about perhaps a few hundred children killed. Measured against the tens of millions of school-age children over that time, are school shootings a minor issue? Exponentially more have been killed in auto or other preventable accidents. Why do we talk far more about the former than the latter? If someone here found an article dealing with the latter, would you scold him for posting something that you find uninteresting and insignificant?

I see posts here about soccer, major league baseball, "Whatcha cooking tonight," TV shows that poster are binge-watching, and I could not care less about them. I find these activities to be wastes of time. However, many here do not. I don't scold people for having an interest in them. If I were to assume your attitude and persona and label them "pathetic" for being interested in these things, wouldn't it make me even more pathetic to get on here time and again, read their posts, and then tell them how pathetic they are?

Which are virtually non existent below the age of adult consent. And which is what the original post was about.

Maybe it’s just me but belching out rage posts doesn’t seem like a fun Thursday night. Nor do I think it’s going to be solved on the UHND Open Forum. But that’s also never the goal; the goal is to get rage affirmation.

Darn it.

You make these posts to anger/annoy people. You know that.

And yet you continue to respond as well.

I give no thought to this or really most of the topics on this board outside of this board because I, like most of you, rarely run into these topics in daily life. And yet the obsession continues.

And GAC is linked to surgeries in that even adults are required to live the other life for a period of time before having surgeries so no one just wakes up one day and decides “I want to cut my dick off” and they do it.

And hormone blockers are reversible.

But you know all this. And, exhaustingly again, the original post talked about none of this. It was simple a belch of “mutilation of kids!!!!”

Deuces.

Again, you cannot divorce "gender affirming care" from these surgeries. They usually go hand-in-hand.

Puberty blockers are not reversible. Kids on them will not catch up in terms of stature and bone development to what they would have been or when they mature and recognize they made a mistake. Having had a son born with SGA and was put on growth hormones, I can assure you that placing someone at age 15 to try to recover growth lost by puberty blockers will not restore that child to their growth trajectory prior to the blockers. The window for even marginal growth in stature is quite short and must be undertaken when a child is very young. We also lack a time machine at this point, so we cannot reverse the lost time and lost social development. TO make it more understandable for you, take a 12 year-old boy placed on puberty blockers. Since upwards of 90% of "trans" kids spontaneously grow out of these thought patters and return to "identifying" as they really are, that young man at 15 will be smaller and less developed than his male cohort, which in turn leads to social and psychological implications. This is particularly pronounced in boys, but it happens with girls, as well.

You conveniently left out cross-sex hormones. Are those reversible? They are not. Among all the consequences, when used in combination with puberty blockers, which is often the case, they can cause sterility.
Instead of reading science, you are reading text conceived gender theorists and activists, the first hits that appear on a Google search.

There's exactly one person reading these exchanges between us who thinks you are the knowledgeable one on this topic and I am the ignorant one. Guesses?

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Grrrrrrrrr....

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Pep and Klopp take digs at one another but always so stinking polite. Conte and Tuechel trying to kill each other was brilliant! Passion!

Every license to practice medicine revoked, names on a national registry, prohibition of being near schools or working with children.

These are evil people.

GOP state legislatures need to step up and pass statutes that prohibit the prescription of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children, along with "top" and "bottom" surgeries for minors. Most lack the intestinal fortitude to do this, even when they understand what is being done to children.

Cages for these people.

Link: https://mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1559393032042151936

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They are cult members.

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