Fixing your electric car-from a friend of friend who just had estimate. Batteries lasts @100k miles
Remember what the Left did to healthcare costs? Why would it be any different with this?
Link: electric car repair estimate - new battery -required on every car every 10 yrs 100,000 miles
Replies to: Fixing your electric car-from a friend of friend who just had estimate. Batteries lasts @100k miles
Not sure when, or if, you'll do some honest research on a topic, but for the benefit of others,
don't 'Un-Plug' from EVs just yet...(see linked article)...and heed Shadow's advice.
Link: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-battery-life-replacement-cost
This is misleading.
Yes. The battery technology used by the Chevy Bolt (and Nissan Leaf) is notoriously bad, and so is their battery temperature control systems.
Tesla’s full coverage battery warranty is 120,000 miles. Rivian’s is 175,000 miles. The Ford warranty is 100,000 miles.
The expected life of the current Tesla battery is 500,000 miles to retain at least 70% capacity. Expected to have a useful life of 1,000,000 miles.
These battery packs in Teslas don’t just “die”—they are composed of thousands of smaller cells. If some cells fail, battery capacity is reduced, but seldom do you need to replace the pack.
Yes, you can take the “worst in class” Chevy Volt example, and it looks bad. But this is not the main use case.
Personally, I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 for almost 3 years now. Since I’m in my 60s, I anticipate I will die before my battery does.
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Hmm...Tesla battery doesn't die. Is that the reason why Tesla battery-caused fire doesn't die
It's well known to fire fighters that it is extremely difficult to extinguish Tesla fire.
Good thing they are so rare! (Much lower rate when than gasoline cars in accidents.) It does require
Tesla fires are much rarer than fires in gasoline based vehicles. (I can’t locate the stats, but it is on the order of 100 times less likely,)
Yes, Lithium Ion battery packs once ignited do burn hotter and for a longer period of time compared to gas vehicles which tend to explode. It requires a different approach by first responders. (Eg. More water for longer. Some techniques like smothering blankets don’t work, etc.)
Your much safer in a Tesla wreck than a gas based vehicle.
Another issue not mentioned yet is their resale value which would seem to be low……
….who would buy a used battery with that kind of replacement value?
Exactly the opposite. I could sell my 2019 for about 10% more than I paid for it 3 years ago.
I’ve never had the value of a new car go up.
You are much more likely to need to replace a transmission or engine in an internal combustion based car before 500,000 miles than you are to replace a battery in an EV.
It’s only been 3 yrs. At the far more common 8yrs or so, you think so?….
….it is really encouraging though to hear what you’ve been experiencing so far.
They are doing well but all used cars are getting premium $$ right now
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Just posting what the bill was.But it seems there are still big concerns-(I'm asking)
1) Tesla is at or near "best in class" - and these cars that you cite require significantly higher price tags, do they not?
2) The govt is sponsoring the "worst in class" at the moment.
3) Warranties are calculated to cover the price point beyond which the company starts to lose money on the deal. Initially, I just Google'd the lifespan of the batteries. But even the numbers you explain here are a lot less than the mileage lifespan of an old gas car (Tesla being the exception).
Your numbers would indicate that for GM's, Fords, Rivians, and I assume others, the car is more expensive and the lifespan is shorter - at least at this point. I have heard the argument now that the EV's are not much more than normal gas cars, but that is due to the intentional elevation in price of gas cars. Same is true for gasoline - whose price was unnecessarily elevated to push the changeover that Biden Admin wants.
4)Another question i have is what does it cost in electricity as compared to gasoline for the same mileage? (I am not asking, but am noting that we will require brown outs to cover the increased demand on our grid from this which will be a whole other cost/problem of giant magnitude).
I respect your answers as I have no problem with EV's other than their price and the forcing of it upon us, and the grid issue. Are these assumptions true?
Google “How do gasoline and electric vehicles compare” from the
Idaho National Laboratory (INL)…not only is the efficiency of an EV much better, the maintenance costs are much lower.
Conversation at my house:
[Wife ordered Tesla 15 months ago]
Me: When does the mail order bride ... I mean laptop with wheels .... arrive?
Wife: I don't know. They'll let us know
Me: Have you thought about getting a charging station installed ahead of time?
Wife: Yes. I'll handle it
Me: I'll take the other side of that bet
Wife: It's a piece of cake.
Me: Will we need an electrician to see if our box can handle it?
Wife: Of course it can.
Me: I hear the recharging stations consume a ton of electricity. Will we have to unplug toaster and shut off TV when recharging?
Wife: Don't be ridiculous.
Me: Why can't the recharging station be powered by a solar panel?
Son: It can.
Me: OK. Show me.
[Crickets]
Me: You know I'm never going to drive that thing .....
Son: Don't worry dad ... we already know.
Me: What happens when the computer directs the car off a cliff into a river?
Son: Dad. You are clueless.
Me: I know.
We need clear answers as to what we're getting into-electricity cost/car cost/grid overload/repair/
efficacy data in cold weather compared to warm weather/range of car with AC and with heater on /etc.
I like the idea of electric cars when the tech is ready, but is it really ready, and will the price force the lower middle class out of cars altogether? Real numbers for comparison.
If she drives less than 15,000 miles per year, the 120V outlet in your garage is sufficient.
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Re: If she drives less than 15,000 miles per year, the 120V outlet in your garage is sufficient.
Sufficient? If you like to wait three days
Only charging while you sleep. No “waiting”
If you plug in at 9PM every night and leave at 7AM, that will add 50 miles on 120v at 16 Amps Which is about 18,000 miles per year.
Many people put 240V 30 Amp (Dryer) or 240V 50 Amp (oven) outlets in their garage which give them 250-350 miles of range overnight so that they can leave with a “full tank” every morning.
How many days per year do you drive 300 miles or more? For me it’s less than 10.
Sounds like these things are designed to be disposable
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Motown has always emphasized disposabilty. It's a business model.
The issue is what environmental damage results from massive battery dispoosal.
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That crazy. I just got a reconditioned one for my hybrid car after 165k miles. It was only 2k.
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I'm guessing your carwas old enough to accept cheaper, reconditioned batteries. But this is the bill
for a new one - undoubtedly made to protect against Climate Change for $26,000.
Yeah, 2008. I don’t plan on keeping it for longer than 3 years or 200k if I can get there.
At least your friend can feel good about helping the environment. ;)