"Masking kids at camp outdoors is simply virtue signaling."
Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released new guidance to help summer camps mitigate their coronavirus risk. Given that summer camps involve both children and the outdoors—two factors that render COVID-19 significantly less worrisome—and will be opening in the wake of widespread vaccination, one might have expected the CDC to depart from its characteristic over-caution.
Nope: This is among the most restrictive, unrealistic guidance the agency has released during the pandemic. It's more limiting than the CDC's guidance for vaccinated people exercising outside more generally. If followed, summer campers would be miserable, deprived of physical contact, and in considerable danger of overheating. The government has essentially recommended that summer camps treat kids like prisoners.
Here are just some of the restrictions:
- Everyone at the camp—including staff and every kid over the age of two—must wear masks at all times, unless they are eating or swimming.
They should wear two layers of masks, especially when social distancing is difficult, regardless of "whether activities are indoors or outdoors."
- Campers should be placed in "cohorts," and their interaction with people outside the cohort must be limited.
- There should always be at least three feet between campers of the same cohort, and six feet between campers of different cohorts.
Staff should keep six feet away from campers at all times, whether inside or outside. Distance should be maintained while eating, napping, or riding the bus:
The - - -- CDC suggests seating kids in alternating rows.
- The use of physical objects that might be shared among kids—toys, art supplies, electronics—should be limited wherever possible.
- Camps should not permit close-contact sports and indoor sports, and should require masks regardless.
- If anyone is curious there are separate restrictions for outdoor gardening.
Link: https://reason.com/2021/05/04/cdc-summer-camp-guidance-masks-covid-19/
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times when you referred them to "professionals" in related specialties? Also, since "Infectious Diseases" questions are among the most numerous in ABIM certification exams, folks like Dr. Fauci, who have 'earned their stripes', are valuable resources...not to be rejected out of hand...so on what basis to you "dis" him?
.....a that foolishness is not because of ignorance, it is because of intention. He clearly likes his power and paycheck. That’s why he keeps flipping around on topics as well as why he recommends actions contradictory to good medical common sense.
PS - I just took you off of ignore after an interesting thread line about you elsewhere. I’m curious.
education background, plus a large "Fund of Knowledge" when it comes to Infectious Diseases...he's been at NIH and the NIAID since leaving Med School,..so in a sense he's got 'one foot in the D.C. political arena...but over that time he's amassed a significant number of admirers...in the ID community. Given my closer than average observations of that community, it would be very hard for "Fauci" to survive in his leadership role through several administrations without the 'approval' of his cohorts, who apparently have always viewed him as a true medical professional and not a political hack..
P.P.S...Glad we're able to converse.
Tyrone!...what is going on here?
I said in response to the "Biden/Carter Affair"?...Hopefully you learned that those two fully vaccinated couples were acting in full compliance with CDC guidelines, and that you, too, can engage with others - including those over 100 yrs of age - in the same way...provided you keep the group "small"...certainly, two-on-two.
Now, as to the kids in camp (great memories for me, btw)...did you, or Baron, or "Cheeks" read the CDC guidelines?...It's not a homework assignment, so don't get nervous, but if you haven't I've made it available...you know, just in case you really care about this issue.
To my way of thinking kids are both 'targets' and 'transport vectors' for COVID-19 "virion" particles, and...
>they can, and do, get infected with COVID-19
>they can get sick..especially those with underlying (but not always known) conditions...some (but very few) may die, and some may have 'long-haul' morbidities
>those that get infected and are asymptomatic can become spreaders of COVID when they return home to parents, grandparents and anyone else they come in contact with.
>Kids aren't vaccinated yet...at overnight camps they spend significant time indoors, and they will certainly get closer than 6ft. apart at camp, so the odds of infection go up.
Are Americans still getting sick from COVID?...yes...are they still dying?...yes...over 600/day (200,000+ per year rate)...so, if you care at all about eliminating this scourge, follow the CDC guidelines.
Masks really work...most of us use them regularly (including kids)...so, let's place our trust in those who have earned it...the CDC, NIH, etc., etc.
I know there will be more push-back on this, so I'll wait and see what those specifics are.
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/summer-camps.html
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Leila Centner (of Miami Private School fame) says such an encounter can cause you all kinds of physical and mental grief.
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anti-vaxer of "Ef's"...Ms. Leila Centner of Miami...she is adamant that no vaccinated teachers at her private school come close to students or non-vaccinated staff for fear that they might suffer mental and/or physical harm as a result..."Looney Tunes", I know, but that's who "Ef" thinks is on the proper path...choose your friends wisely.
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what you're trying to say?...
...and just to close the loop on the essence of my previous post, do you believe that just by being near a vaccinated person, you could suffer mental and/or physical injury as a result?
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survivors into getting vaccinated...they are telling them that there are still a few unknowns out there, especially wrt emerging variants, so to be on the safe side, just take advantage of widely available vaccines, which are free...kind of like what a couple of UHND posters have done...sounds reasonable to me...why are you so incensed about it?
for summer youth “prison” camps.
Link: https://youtu.be/WnpQXO3J3ug
likely to be amended...personally, I'd rather my kids' safety was treated with "conservatism" right now, as opposed to hoping that nothing goes wrong...the masks aren't hurting them, so let's see how this shakes out...with any luck...and a lot more vaccinations, this will become a footnote in the history of COVID-19.
To the extreme.
Also, I'll save Tyrone a response. Email your concerns to the CDC. Expect no response.