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Ron DeSantis sent a plane of illegals to Martha's Vineyard.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 7:36 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Exhibit #57 why Desantis is an AHole and would be a horrible President.

Author: conorlarkin (21072 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/15/ron-desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-fox-news/

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Please explain. Was someone forced into this? Or, do you just want immigrants kept away from you?

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:57 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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For the slow people ….

Author: conorlarkin (21072 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:01 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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When Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed voting restrictions last year, he gave exclusive access to this glorious spectacle to Fox News. It was a twofer for the national right-wing audience, flaunting his relish of voter suppression while sticking it to mainstream Fake News outlets in the process.


Now DeSantis has produced another made-for-Fox moment: He is taking credit for delivering two planeloads of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard, where locals are scrambling to meet their needs. DeSantis’s staff apparently supplied exclusive video of these heroics to Fox: It shows the migrants, some children, disembarking from planes, and then walking along a street, all in quiet, orderly fashion.


All this illustrates the methodical nature of DeSantis’s appeals to the national GOP primary electorate. And it illuminates the maneuverings behind his efforts to co-opt the MAGA movement, perhaps inevitably conflicting with MAGA overlord Donald Trump himself.



The approximately 50 migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard represent the latest example of a vile stunt in which GOP governors bus migrants to Democratic strongholds to protest President Biden’s border policies. Just as has happened elsewhere, island officials were surprised but are welcoming the new arrivals.

What’s striking is how the DeSantis administration appears to have deliberately orchestrated this event for maximum cruelty and confusion. “There was no advance notice to island officials,” Julian Cyr, a Massachusetts state senator who represents the area, told me.


A spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker — a Republican — didn’t immediately answer when I asked if DeSantis had given his office a heads-up.
What’s more, some details of what DeSantis did remain a mystery. Cyr said migrants report being transported from San Antonio.
“Many were staying in a shelter in San Antonio,” Cyr told me, adding, “A woman approached them outside the shelter and essentially lured them into taking the plane.” He said the migrants were informed they’d be able to get work papers.


Cyr said the planes made one stop in Florida and another in South Carolina. Though all this remains unconfirmed, it dovetails with some migrants telling the Times that they started off in San Antonio. It’s unclear why a Florida governor is flying migrants from Texas to Massachusetts.


Why this spectacle would thrill the right-wing base — or why DeSantis thinks it would — is an intriguing question. Coastal Massachusetts has long been a marker of liberal elitism in the lexicon of right-wing demonology due to Democratic presidents who have vacationed there.


The story, obviously, is that rich liberal hypocrites want migrants welcomed but not in their own communities. Yet the island — a tightly knit rural community in the off season — is welcoming the migrants: They stayed the night at a church, and plans are being made for next steps.


What’s more, DeSantis has raised money on the nearby island of Nantucket, which is swankier than Martha’s Vineyard. Plenty of high-rolling GOP donors summer on the two islands.


A common right-wing refrain is that the “real” cruelty here is from Biden. He’s allowing many migrants to exercise their legal right to apply for asylum, which lures them to make the dangerous trek and means they’re released in the United States to await hearings.


This argument is ugly and dumb. It erases from the equation the reason migrants are seeking refuge here, i.e., because they’re fleeing terrible conditions at home. The GOP “solution” is to dramatically restrict the right to asylum hearings so migrants can’t come at all, as Trump had some success doing.


Once we do accept that this legal right will be honored, the situation becomes admittedly logistically very difficult. It means long backlogs and tough questions about how to handle migrants while they await hearings. But the answer isn’t to wash our hands of the problem.


Indeed, the right-wing game is to treat those resulting challenges as the creation of those who refuse to sharply restrict the asylum right. But moving toward eliminating that right isn’t a solution. It’s far more cruel than what we’re seeing now. Under Trump it produced humanitarian horrors on the other side of the border.


The argument is this: We will largely wash our hands of asylum seekers, and if you libs will not, then you alone will deal with them. This is straining some liberal strongholds, but the idea that this is a “win” is disgusting: It treats migrants as a kind of despised weapon, an infecting agent, to illustrate the point.
Which has the virtue of combining deliberate inhumanity with thrilling “own the libs” energy.


New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait argues that DeSantis is carefully marketing himself to GOP elites — both Trump-aligned and non-Trump-aligned alike — as the perfect vehicle to co-opt MAGA energy while also being a shrewd, deliberate and non-self-destructive politician.


This marketing also resonates in the world that Trump created on Fox News, where the most valuable currency of all is a willingness to employ maximal tactics, to fight, against whomever is designated the enemy at any given moment.


For people receiving the migrants, that posturing is reprehensible. “There is nothing tough about using vulnerable women and children for political gain,” Massachusetts state Rep. Dylan Fernandes told me. “DeSantis is a coward.”
To most people, this use of migrants might seem like a cruel stunt. But on Fox News — and, importantly, among GOP elites seeking their next standard bearer — it will have very powerful appeal.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Ah. I see. you don't want immigrants in your neighborhood.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:22 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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What's wrong w/ offering first class ride to volunteers to best areas w/ more opportunity? And....

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:30 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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they are "sanctuary cities" to boot.

The border towns are overflowing without places for them.

Seems like a win for everyone.


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Fun fact: These are human beings. Crazy, right?

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:37 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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You think Jesus would fuck around with these people? Whatsoever you do…

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Tonight: Dem commentator said a voluntary chartered flight to Martha's Vinyard was like Holocaust.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:04 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Always with the holocaust with you guys.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You are on record saying we should be able to kill human beings. GOP treating them better.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:52 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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How does this help the situation? All it does it rile up the uninformed voter.

Author: Quest4twelve (6761 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:45 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Both parties have contributed to kicking the can regarding immigration reform. The humans being used as political fodder have been allowed in the country and assigned a court date as they used our existing laws to their favor.

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Do you think the border is secure?...closed?

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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They just interviewed an illegal alien in D.C. he said the border is open, and he could just walk in. Who is lying?...him, or Kamala Harris?

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The border is secured and it's closed. Who else are these people turning themselves in to? Again..

Author: Quest4twelve (6761 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:04 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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should be build a 100 ft high barrier all along the southern border? When they touch US soil all they have to do is turn themselves into custody and claim defensive or affirmative.

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Border is secure and closed? Then what is the problem you are worried about?

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:00 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Regarding a 100 foot wall, the Biden White House did accuse Trump of not doing enough to close the border. (Dem Racists.)

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Do you think they should be kept in small towns in Texas instead?

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:47 am on Sep 15, 2022
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If so, what did you think of the Biden administration bussing illegals into the interior of our country?

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Once again you're showing your uninformed, unhinged opinons.

Author: Quest4twelve (6761 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:53 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Since these folks have claimed asylum status, they are then sent to where they have existing family members most likely. Let me state again, they are using the existing laws to their advantage. Do you think these flights didn't exists when Trump was president?

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Most likely....they don't have friends or family in the USA.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 11:29 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Who is uninformed and unhinged again?

“I haven’t slept well in three months,” said Leonel, who does not have any relatives or friends in the United States. “It’s been three months since I put on a new pair of pants. Or shoes.”


Link: No friends. No family.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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1) You don't know what "asylum" means. 2) You create a fantasy "likely" scenario to exonerate Dems.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:39 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Let's analyze your post:
1) You criticize Abbott for X.
2) I point out Biden did X.
3) You say, "Well, Trump probably did X. too."

In this process, you create a fantasy world in which
(1) all these immigrants are asylum seekers (rather than just trying to better their lives in another country, which is not asylum seeking), and
(2) they are just reuniting with family members already here (sure, tens of millions of people, and they all have family hear already), and Biden is helping them.

Using your rock solid approach to this, I can safely say that it is likely all these people have family in Martha's Vineyard.


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Answer the question.

Author: jakers (13925 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:34 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Why should only small border towns who don't have the resources to manage this situation and where the issue is being ignored by those with the power to make decisions thousands of miles away be the ones stuck navigating it? Why shouldn't D.C. and other large, liberal cities who support mass amnesty bear some direct burden for this?

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No one said that. Again you rageaholics tend to argue with yourselves a lot.

Author: Quest4twelve (6761 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:07 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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The process needs to be a whole of government approach with both sides doing best for the US. Not yahoo governors trying to score political points.

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What dishonest nonsense.

Author: jakers (13925 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:38 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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It is precisely the statement made when politicians in charge of providing resources to address the problem willfully opt to do nothing, and then whine about having to share the same burden as those who have been impacted by it for years.

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Yeah ok I bet you nobody’s capitalizing on the cheap labor that comes across the southern border

Author: Quest4twelve (6761 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 5:25 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Down there. Get real.

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Still can't answer it, can you?

Author: jakers (13925 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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We need some adults in the room

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8036 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:51 am on Sep 15, 2022
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These are human beings. They deserve respect.

Our failed immigration policies led to this, and our failure needs to be exposed - and stopped. Failure to enforce our laws has consequences.

This is not how to do it.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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They have been moved to the best location on the east coast instead of the inner city.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:39 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Both parties have been shipping them in country. We need non-partisan reactions.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:15 am on Sep 15, 2022
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(Not to mention the Left is encouraging these people to be trafficked by cartels.)

Either this is wrong, or it isn't. But the outrage from one side to the same act they perform is telling, and revealing hypocrisy is useful.

One news outlet said Abbott isn't forcing them. They are going of their own free will to selected sanctuary cities. Don't know if Martha"s Vineyard is a sanctuary city.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yeah but Dems court them as future voters and could give a rat's ass once they're here...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 9:03 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Biden's been flying them all over the US since he gained office...mostly to lower class neighborhoods. In fact, Catholic Family Charities have had this burden placed upon their backs.

I contribute to Sister Grace's homeless shelter, locally and she is overwhelmed by the scourge placed upon her back.


Keep on rockin' in the free world
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Excellent point about Catholic Social Services

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8036 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:14 am on Sep 15, 2022
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They are doing fantastic work. Here in my community, they work to settle refugee families and help them assimilate. Most of their cases originate in war-torn African nations and in Eastern Europe. We have a local reporter who has done a terrific job chronicling their stories, and they are inspiring. And I'm proud to say that my community has embraced them and fully supports them.

Catholic Social Services are unsung heroes.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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Agreed.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:48 am on Sep 15, 2022
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I agree. But Dems must be faced with the reality of their disastrous policies.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 9:03 am on Sep 15, 2022
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It's a shame. It's ugly. It's unfortunate. It's sad. Tragic.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Ha ha. Look at those stupid, confused people. Ha ha. Vote DeSantis.

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:14 am on Sep 15, 2022
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I believe the point is that if Dems endorse illegal aliens, then let them prove it in person.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 8:29 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Keep on rockin' in the free world
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Actually, the point is to use human beings to score political points

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:25 am on Sep 15, 2022
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That is exactly what YOU are doing with your open border policy & enticements.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:10 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Hilarious. Like a border crisis is a good thing, poltiically, for Biden. Think then post.

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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It is a good thing for Dems when it's paired with amnesty (next phase - guaranteed). I think more.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:55 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Didn’t ever Dem running for Pres say these illegals would get feee healthcare during a debate?

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:46 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Was that for political points? Truly amazing some of the stupid shit you say.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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That's why the Dems encourage them to be trafficked by the cartels.

Author: NedoftheHill (44733 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:50 am on Sep 15, 2022
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All this does is allow illegals to move to sanctuary cities, while challenging the Dems to think about their policies. A win for everyone.

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They don't. This is not just wrong - it is plain stupid.

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:14 pm on Sep 15, 2022
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Bingo. "Don't re-frame this issue so that we have to address the same question!"

Author: jakers (13925 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:34 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Actually, these human beings are being located to the most primo location now rather than the worst

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:38 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Abbott just sent a bus load and dropped them off near VP Harris house.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 7:48 am on Sep 15, 2022
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If Kamala can't come to the border it will come to her.

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:12 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1570368109881749504

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“It’s evil and inhumane”. Lol! They’ll fight this harder than they did windmills after a few more

Author: BaronVonZemo (60136 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:45 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Flights

Flown first class to the ritziest area on east coast. DeSantis’24.


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Should be more work for them there than in South Florida

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:39 am on Sep 15, 2022
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Hopefully their employers will offer decent servents housing.

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Barry and Mickey will take good care of their indentured servants.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 7:43 am on Sep 15, 2022
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