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"Migrant Buses Compared to 1962 'Reverse Freedom Rides' of Black Families"...and people wonder

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:56 am on Sep 16, 2022
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why "Racism" needs to be discussed in our schools. Former GOP strategist, Stuart Stevens, is right when the first chapter of his book "It Was All A Lie" has the title "Race, the Original Republican Sin". We've always had the KKK, Skin Heads, Tiki Torchers, etc...and I'm sure they will remain...however, it is the responsibility of all right-minded citizens to vote people who cater to them...like Abbott and DeSantis...out of office...I can tell you that the Democratic Party is highly motivated to make this happen...as well a sizable number of Republicans and Independents...

Where do you stand?


Link: https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-buses-compared-1962-reverse-freedom-rides-black-families-1743575

Replies to: "Migrant Buses Compared to 1962 'Reverse Freedom Rides' of Black Families"...and people wonder


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All Republicans are scum. There is no logic only hate in their actions.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 9:08 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

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The right is having a field day with this one.

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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And way 'til they get started on the whole gender fluidity issue.

The left is losing the humor battle badly.


Link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1570794922575527937

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Of course they are...just like with Baron's recent 'Texas vs. California' video...zero factual basis

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:14 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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but hey, if it will get the MAGA crowd to turn out in the Fall, so be it.

Nice way to deflect from the inhumanity that's being perpetrated by Abbott and DeSantis...no way the rational Independents, Republicans and of course, Democrats are going to let that happen.


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That video was a little too revealing. Love it when you guys try to fact check comedy sites.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:17 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Good comedy is just a fun way of communicating the "Truth"...this is not that.

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:24 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Not "good comedy"...just "hilarious."

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:27 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Whatever you want to call it, Ned...but it's certainly not the truth.

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:59 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Well, they were actors. But, it was based in truth. Kind of funny that you are worried about this.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:12 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yeah, it worries me...that the same dirty tricks by the same group of racists are being played 60yrs

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:01 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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later...we as a country haven't made nearly enough progress...we could be so much better...and accomplish so much more...if this nonsense would stop...you're not helping.

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Yeah, you guys should stop this behavior. At least you are paying attention now.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Thank Abbott and Desantis for that.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Nice try, Ned, but those 1962 'Southern Democrats' were of the same mind as today's MAGA

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:05 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Republicans...they just switched parties when "Civil Rights" laws got passed a few years later...and accelerated when Nixon implemented his "Southern Strategy"...you are not helping this country move forward.

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Lol. Sanctuary Cities specifically asked for this."Open arms".They're mad we took them at their word

Author: BaronVonZemo (59849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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This is awesome. Dems effectively compare themselves to Nazis by criticizing something they've done.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:15 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Another one.

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:26 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Link: https://twitter.com/MWatkins924/status/1570800664435109888/photo/1

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And the Dems are writing these for us.

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Link: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1570487633394143234

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Ha! Classic!

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:16 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Ha! "They deserve better than to be left in Martha's Vineyard".So they deserve to be left in Florida

Author: BaronVonZemo (59849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:00 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Haha, Karine is even dumber than Kamala.

Author: Iggle (12613 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Best part is that she is un-firable.

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The binder lady.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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"The left is losing the humor battle badly," says a guy who never sees anything but right-wing humor

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:23 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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That's because there's no such thing as left-wing humor

Author: MarkHarman (7275 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:50 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Setting aside the silly charge or racism, what exactly is the problem?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:14 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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This is what you guys wanted. Why should border states and towns be subjected to Democrat's policies. The whole of the country should share this burden.

You voted for it....here you go! You whiners re never happy.

Although some of the youngins might find their way to Rentboy. So that's good right?


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Fellow human beings...and citizens...had their lives purposely disrupted with lies about what

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:42 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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was awaiting them in terms of jobs and opportunities for the sole reason of racial hatred and political opportunism...examples of a total lack of compassion or concern for someone else's well-being.....good people don't do such things to others and we have leaders who are definitely NOT good people...that's the fundamental problem.

Truly good people want to help those who are in this country legally...which these people are (not citizens yet, but here legally, nonetheless)...and that involves honesty and cooperation among all agencies...state and federal...Abbott and DeSantis have failed in their duties to AID them...instead they have purposely HARMED them. All they needed to do is call around to other state the s and cooperate in finding suitable destinations for their overflow of asylum seekers, while at the same time communicating honestly with those people about what is happening and what they can expect when they get to those locations...not really that hard...

As for Democrats and Immigration...they are following all laws...and quotas...regarding such immigrants...if you want to disagree with me, back it up with verifiable documentation.

I'm at a loss as to why you don't see what's happening here...


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Good critique of the Dems who made promises to get these people into the cartel network.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:13 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

who had whose lives disrupted? They weren't invited; they actually were told not to come by YOUR VP

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16206 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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They did come...and were accepted...then the "Trafficking" started...just like in 1962 with citizens

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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they weren't accepted. The states involved are prevented from sending them back.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16206 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:21 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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They aren't accepted by the Left. We've certainly see that the Left wants nothing to do with them.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Trafficking does not fit the definition. You're arguing against the canon of Ejusdem Generis.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 2:55 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Political benefit is not of the same type of things noted in the definition - namely sexual, forced labor, commercial exploitation and the like. Further you've not established how DeSantis has benefitted.

You. Are. Incorrect.


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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I'm not an attorney, nor have I stayed at a 'Holiday Inn Express', but there's an outside chance

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:21 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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that both Governors Abbott and DeSantis used taxpayer money to fund the fraudulent coercion of legal immigrants onto busses and planes only to admitted political opposed states and localities for the purpose of making a political 'statement'....i.e. political gain...check out the link...seems to me that a jury could very well find those guys guilty...but that's just my opinion...

btw, did I hear correctly that you are studying to be an attorney?...if so, start using some verifiable references when you state your opinion...it's good practice for you.


Link: https://ethics.house.gov/campaign/general-prohibition-against-using-official-resources-campaign-or-political-purposes

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Just your opinion. That about sums it up.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 3:27 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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And yes, you heard correctly. And that's precisely what I've done. Used statements to back my opinion. Which is why you're getting so pissy. Not only this debate, but the one yesterday.

I win again!


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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I'm talking about you producing some impressive, and relevant, cases or statutes that prove

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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the asylum seekers are here illegally...you know..."Substantive" material and not just your student opinion...iMO you are not off to a great start with your studies.

btw, make yourself a trophy that says "I Win" ;-)...heaven knows you need some kind of affirmation.


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It's been about 5 weeks

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 7:23 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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I'll get there. You'll always be an asshole.
I win. Again. In more way than one.

Any luck find a proper church for you and Fr. Jenkins? Shame you two are so lost.


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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What citizens were trafficked in 1962?

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 2:42 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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African Americans...read the article.

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:22 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Hahahahahahahahaha, you kill me.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:19 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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Well, out of one side of his mouth, anyway.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:10 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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They are not here legally, hope San Fran is next.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 12:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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LOL..are you accusing Abbott and DeSantis of trafficking "Illegals"?...think about it.

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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No I am not, you are the one who should be thinking.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 1:01 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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Then you agree that those asylum seekers are definitely here legally...and should be treated

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:29 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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fairly and honestly...since they have been officially "Welcomed" into the United States...anything less is being "In-hospitable", and that's not who real Americans are.

Thread Level: 8

Lets assume for a moment they are here legally.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 1:44 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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I contend they are not (I will not accept reporting by MSNC, CNN and/or Newsweek (so you can save your links). But let's just say....

Is there a rule or statute that stipulates that the receiving state must indeed process all these people? If the courts are at capacity? The holding centers full? Attorneys unable to effectively assure them their due process? They must remain in Texas or Arizona anyway? At the great expense and burden of those states? They cannot be safely and adequately transferred to other jurisdictions with similarly adequate Federal facilities to process all these freedom seekers?

Again if your REAL aim is to truly help, then this should be greeted with great enthusiasm! Show those racist rubes in border states how real Americans get it done. Or go to a website and bitch about how mean those big bad meanie meanies are!


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Those immigrants are definitely here legally...if you don't agree then prove that they aren't...with

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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substantive documentation.

As I mentioned just a few minutes ago, the proper course of action is to honestly, and compassionately, communicate with ALL OTHER STATES as well as the federal government to find the optimal destinations for those who are here, again legally. By acting this way, the burden will certainly be diminished in TX and ARI (FLA's involvement looks like pure politicking)...sounds simple enough to me...how about you?

Abbott and DeSantis are definitely NOT trying to help those distressed human beings....they are USING THEM for political GAIN. The Democrats aren't rejecting them...only asking for cooperation...among ALL STATES in this country...for a good cause.


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And why do you get to claim they are without similar documentation?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 2:50 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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How do you know this? Outside of a Newsweek article that made said claim.

And you didn't address the thrust of my post. You're a better dancing than Fred Astaire! Why are some states assumed to bear this responsibility solely and not Massachusetts, New York, Illinois?


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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It's not just me...many sources make the same claim...time for you to do the hard law school task of

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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proving them wrong...good practice for what that profession entails.

Oh, and doesn't it make sense for Governors Abbott and DeSantis to enlist the help of EVERY OTHER STATE in lightening their burden?...not just those with a majority of Democratic voters?..it shouldn't take much more evidence to prove that this is all a POLITICAL STUNT.


Link: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/migrant-buses-desantis-abbott-what-matters/index.html

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I guess you did not read the article or maybe just did not comprehend it.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Nowhere does it say that the illegals are legal.

Jersey Sucks!
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OK. What does technically mean?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 4:01 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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That's a pretty big matzo ball there Ty. And again, I already noted I would not buy anything CNN reported on this. They are FAR from an unbiased news source.

And those states with democratic voters have overwhelming encouraged illegal immigration by designating "sanctuary cities" within their borders. Doesn't it make sense that DeSantis and Abbott would look to those states/cities first in lightening said burden? That's what I'd do. Send them where they are wanted with folks who can process them. So to answer your question - no it doesn't make sense. Simple.


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Meanwhile, Dem cities just deport these people from their cities. No criticism from you. Partisan.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:25 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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You must first know who is acting before you can comment on the morality or legality of the act. For you, justice is not blind. It must know color of skin and party affiliation before making a judgement. Frankly, you should be ashamed.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Do you disagree that those immigrants are here "Legally"...and should not be "Trafficked" in such an

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:32 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Un-caring and Un-compassionate way?

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Duh. Of course they are here illegally. Most of them certainly (99.99% of them, statistically).

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:17 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Most didn't come from Mexico, and they cannot seek asylum in the United States. They are supposed to seek it in the first country in which they arrive.

And the whole "asylum" thing is pretty much a fantasy. Let's assume that some are seeking legitimate asylum from Mexico. What is going on there that would support their case. Do you know of anything? Note that "looking for a job" or even "looking for a better life" is not a legitimate basis for asylum to be granted. Statistically speaking, 99.99% of them are not seeking legitimate asylum. They are trying to use asylum rules to gain entry, then get released, and be here illegally. And, the Dems support that...but not in their own backyards, which is really quite revealing and embarrassing for your side.

DO you deny that the Dems are encouraging the trafficking of humans across Mexico by the cartels? If you do, then your perception of reality is...flawed.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Sorry, Charlie, but Abbott and DeSantis know they are legally here awaiting a court hearing...

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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otherwise they'd be BREAKING THE LAW by putting them on busses and planes to different parts of the USA...I can't believe you and others are having such a hard time with this concept....actually, I think you know this, but it REALLY puts a crimp in your narrative and you'll never admit to it...yeah, that's it.

I for one am going to hold your tootsies to the fire that Abbott and DeSantis started...learn to deal with it.


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Assuming they are, do they have to remain in TX or FL for processing?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 7:24 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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OMG!...OMG!...you're admitting that I "WIN!!"...WOO-HOO!...seriously, if Abbott and DeSantis want to

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:44 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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do the right thing, they should just have their staffs call every other state and make a spreadsheet of states, counties and cities that make the most sense for the various asylum seeking individuals and families, then arrange dates, and transport details with them, with accommodations, food, medical care, etc. pre-planned...sort of what the Red Cross does...with a true humanitarian attitude.

There should be no need for all of those people to stay in TX, or AZ...or somehow, FLA...just make sure they can easily be contacted and get to their court hearing, which also needs coordination with Immigration Services...just stop using these already distraught immigrants as pawns in their political campaigns.


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So essentially you agree with me? TX & AZ or FL are under no obligation to house these folks.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 8:04 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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And therefore you have no issue sending them to a welcoming state.

That was a really long unnecessary walk Tyrone. Jeez!


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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They are here illegally. They were arrested crossing the border at places other than ports of entry.

Author: Iggle (12613 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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They claimed asylum once the army of Democrat lawyers got to them. So, they have been forwarded to places that have emoted about how much they are wanted. A very large percentage of them will never attend their asylum hearing.

You know this, but just lie about it because it makes your guy look bad.


Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-sends-50-migrants-on-planes-to-marthas-vineyard-11663253106

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No...they were "Processed and Released" by the Immigration Service...they are free to travel within

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:15 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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the U.S. pending a court hearing...all of that is LEGAL...otherwise Abbott and DeSantis would be breaking the law by knowingly trafficking them...these people have been "Welcomed" into this country because there is reason to believe they will meet the requirements for 'Asylum Status'...further along the path to possible "CITIZENSHIP STATUS"...

Once again...all laws are being followed...there are no "Open Doors" they're running through...not sure why that disappoints you.


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They are free to travel? So they are now in MA. The end.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 7:25 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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You've failed to prove either assertion. No proof they are here legally.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 2:58 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Certainly not that they are being trafficked.

We're done.


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Oh, Boy...the Immigration Service has already 'Processed and Released' them...they are free to

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:21 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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travel about the country pending a court hearing, because there is reason to believe they could qualify for 'Asylum Status'...another step on the road to possible "Citizen Status" and a productive member of our society...maybe even better than many of those on this board.

Let me know if your "Paper Chase" finds any illegality with what's transpired thus far...other than what Abbott and DeSantis are doing (see my 'Ethics' post earlier).


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They are neither legal nor being trafficked. Please learn how to properly use punctuation.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 1:41 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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They are not being "human trafficked". That's not what it means. Google it.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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They are being sent to places with resources to help who have offered them sanctuary. This should be pleasing to you.

I swear, it is NOTRE DAME right? You and Chris didn't go to like St. Joe's JC and just think you were at ND?


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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It definitely is "Human Trafficking"...

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:56 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Here's the Google definition...]
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hu·man traf·fick·ing

noun: human trafficking
the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation.
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Note that the definition says "Typically"...but not "Only" involving forced labor or sexual exploitation...in this case, Abbott and DeSantis are fraudulently coercing 'legally admitted' immigrants into taking bus and plane rides to only Democratic majority destinations while lying to them about what is awaiting them...all for the "Benefit" of gaining political favor with racist voters who would then elect them to office and all the income and power levers that come with it.

That is an accurate description of what those two are doing..."Trafficking" legal immigrants for political "Benefit".

The proper way of dealing with the large numbers of asylum seekers and other immigrants who meet existing quotas for admittance into the U.S., is to communicate honestly with ALL OTHER STATES to find the best destinations for those LEGALLY admitted immigrants.


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"benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation."

Author: JarHead4ND (4262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Problem: "You quoted a Google definition in the application of your response to Stark but you did not make a connection with Governors Abbott or DeSantis unless you are implying without stating that these migrants are being transported for the purpose of the governors "benefit[ing] from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation."

This string is way, way too long but I just wanted to point out this variance from the definition to your application.


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JH, you need to read all the words...including the operative one...i.e. "Typically"...those two

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:31 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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examples are not exclusive by my reading...so Abbott and DeSantis, in addition to the reported "coercion" they exerted to make those people take the bus and plane rides, forced them to do their political bidding as unwilling actors in a scheme to embarrass Democrats...given that those people were only sent to Democratic majority locations, and none to GOP strongholds, that's not a hard to connect string of dots...wouldn't you say?...and all for the purpose of improving their political stock with their base of voters...which leads to more money for them and attendant political power.

Yeah, they "Trafficked" those Asylum Seekers for financial and political gain.


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They did no such thing. You're just being ridiculous now. You've invented a story.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Wrong. Read it again.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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noun: human trafficking
the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation.

They were not transported for any of the above-mentioned reasons. In fact, not a single element of the above-noted definition has been met. Further you're assuming facts not in evidence. Namely that the people in question were here legally. Additionally that they were moved under false pretenses for nefarious intent. For politically purposes? Good luck making that charge stick!

Move to dismiss, your Honor. The witness is hysterical!


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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Read my post(s) again...they are here legally...you haven't shown that they aren't...they were lied

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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to and coerced...their reported and quoted statements attest to that...the "Trafficking" definition is not limited to those two purposes...Abbott and DeSantis did indeed "Bus and Fly" those immigrants to only what they considered to be "liberal" destinations, and then highly publicized the actions...what rational person would not conclude it was for "Political Gain"?

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You know that 99.99% of them are not legitimate asylum seekers.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:19 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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You just lie because you want to use them as political pawns. Shame on you and your party for that.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You haven't' shown they are or that they were coerced.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 3:00 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Political gain is a nebulous term that does not stand up to the definition YOU provided.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Yeah, what is the problem with hauling people all over so you can high-five your MAGA buddies?

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Nothing whips the white nationalists into a frenzy quite like the idea that brown people who speak a different language are coming into 'Merica.

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Always playing the race card.

Author: jray (3338 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:50 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Of course that's not what's happening, but OK!

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:25 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Snowflake.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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That is exactly what's happening...people who are in this country LEGALLY are having their

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:53 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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already disrupted lives burdened even more so by racists using them to score political points and show solidarity with other racists...it's been going on for a very long time...good people are exposing such practices and coming to the aid of those less fortunate.

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Have their asylum claims been heard by a judge? They are not here legally.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 1:14 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Our laws allow them to legally remain in the U.S. pending a hearing...prove to us that's not true...

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:53 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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remember, if you are 'correct' then Abbott and DeSantis are knowingly trafficking "Illegal immigrants" within the U.S.

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They are considered illegal aliens. Why can’t you comprehend this?

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Exactly. He's assuming facts not in evidence because he hates DeSantis and by extension Cons.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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This MUST be wrong. Because it FEELS wrong. And DeSantis IS A BAD GUY! So HE'S wrong....They're no ILLEGALS....they're asylum seekers!

Then throw in some crap about Trump or white supremacy and call it a day. For law and order and respect the norms and civility and decency...Chris and Ty sure like to throw it over board when politically expedient!


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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I know I say it a lot but the abject stupidity of the left is staggering.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 1:40 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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You've opened your door to some illegal immigrants, correct?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16206 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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No, but he did load some food on a pallet at a food bank once. Does that count?

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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You might want to check your own frenzy level there, chief.

Author: Iggle (12613 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:25 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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The abject stupidity of the left is staggering. Science!

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 12:49 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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To what do they compare the late night Biden DHS plane rides?

Author: Iggle (12613 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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The ones that have no relation to the current situation?

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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The ones just carted out by the stupids who cannot reason without whatboutisms?

Those ones?


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Maybe you can explain the difference. Look similar, although the GOP ones seem better.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Voluntary. Sanctuary city destinations.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Not voluntary. Authorities in Massachusetts not tipped off they were coming.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Yeah Ned. Exactly the same.

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Like the 500 dumped in El Paso last week without warning? It never ends with you.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:27 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Its always different when its you, isn’t it?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Always!

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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The policy is biting dems in the ass. That's your only objection. It's why you're so worked up.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:16 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Other than that, the situations are identical.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Chris is lashing out because TX and FL have found the perfect way to expose the incompetence of Joe.

Author: Iggle (12613 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Of course he is. This is a fair application of what liberal Democrats have asked for.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:27 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Let them in. Ok. Here you go. This is a non-issue for them when it happens daily in Tempe or Tucson.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Yeah. I'M worked up. Whatever, snowflake.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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That's not a snowflake. Frank used to get that wrong too.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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Urban Dictionary describes the snowflake as meaning “a very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.” Sound like anyone you know?

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Chris got his talking points and is running with it. He’s really smart you know.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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KKK was started by the Democrat party as was segregation.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 12:00 pm on Sep 16, 2022
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