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I believe it is useful to look at it this way:
1.) Refugees and Asylees - These individuals have documentation of their entry and status. They can get work authorization. Can be a lengthy process. The bar can be relatively high. (If you want to watch a comedy that is based on a true story of a family seeking asylum, watch the Netflix series “Mo”)
Tragically, this can take a long time. Many with weak cases simply drop out of the process and remain in the US illegally.
2. Temporary Non-Immigrant Visas. Aliens enter to study (eg. F-1 visa), or to work temporarily (eg. H-2 visas to work seasonally in Agriculture, Hospitality, etc.). Some of these have a path to permanent residence, and others do not. Frequently this status expires, and aliens simply stay in the US illegally. (The 9/11 bombers were here legally on F-1 Visas. It’s a relatively low bar to get into the country, but converting to an H1-B upon completing education is non-trivial and typically requires for example an employer to provide sponsorship.)
3. Family members of individuals in one of the 2 categories above.
4. Aliens who sneak into the country

The people being flown from Texas/Florida are typically in category 1 above—not category 4. (Though category 4 can claim they are category 1 if apprehended.)

If they were recent arrivals they had not completed the process? Tyrone was absolutely beside himself declaring they were here legally. Is his understanding incorrect?

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Since April, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas has bused over 7,900 migrants from the state to Washington, D.C. In August, he began sending migrants to New York. Now, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida is getting in on the act, sending two planeloads of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts. To hear Mr. Abbott tell it, he’s calling the bluff of blue-state mayors who claim to welcome undocumented immigrants. It’s also part of a not-so-secret Republican plan to whip up anger against Democrats ahead of the midterm elections.

Politics aside, one thing is clear: Our immigration system has long been overburdened and outdated, and the asylum process is a big part of what’s not working. The number of new asylum claims filed in U.S. immigration courts ballooned to 156,374 in 2022 — with four months left to go — from 32,895 in all of 2010. That’s partly because conflict and Covid created mass migration across the globe. Immigration courts have not been able to keep up with the surge of newcomers. In 2010, there was a backlog of about 100,000 asylum cases pending. Today, that number has swelled to more than 660,000. When other kinds of cases, such as deportation orders, are included, the backlog in immigration courts climbs to over 1.8 million.

The numbers reflect a recent spike in migration. Over the past two years, about a million people have been allowed into the country to await hearings in immigration court, according to a recent report by my Times colleague Eileen Sullivan. Each person has been given a year to file an asylum claim. That’s not just a Biden-era phenomenon: A similar number were admitted by the Trump administration during a 24-month period in 2018 and 2019, the last big surge in migration.

Combined, those numbers have broken the system. Although asylum hearings are supposed to be held within 45 days of an application being filed, the current wait time for an asylum hearing averages nearly four and a half years, according to researcher data compiled at Syracuse University’s TRAC center. The longer it takes to resolve a case, the harder it can be to remove people whose asylum claims have been denied, as has happened in over half of asylum cases last year. It’s projected that more than 745,000 deportation proceedings will be initiated in 2022, more than twice as many as in any other year with the exception of 2019. The long delays in resolving asylum cases have become a serious, self-perpetuating crisis: Those delays incentivize people to file unfounded asylum claims, knowing that it will buy them years, even if they are eventually deported.

Part of the problem is that asylum is one of the few legal pathways economically desperate people can use to obtain permission to live and work in the United States. Under U.S. law and United Nations conventions established in the aftermath of World War II, people who express a “well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion” are allowed to await the adjudication of their asylum cases inside the United States, where they can apply for authorization to work 150 days after filing for asylum. Employment Authorization Documents must be renewed every two years, creating another mountain of paperwork that the bureaucracy must keep up with.

Asylum seekers with genuine cases are among those most harmed by false claims, which greatly increase the time they must wait for legal protection.

The Trump administration tried a number of methods to discourage people from filing new asylum claims, including forcing some people to remain in Mexico while they applied for asylum in the United States. Nevertheless, asylum claims actually rose steeply under President Donald Trump, partly because of a surge in migration but also as a defense against his stepped-up effort to deport people.

The global outbreak of Covid-19 presented a new opportunity to cut down on asylum claims. Title 42, the pandemic-related public health policy that the Trump administration instituted in March of 2020, has allowed U.S. officials to quickly expel migrants at the border without granting them a chance to file an asylum claim. Many are pushed back to Mexico, exposing them to more danger.

The Biden administration announced that it would reopen asylum processing at the border and seek to halt the use of Title 42, but more than 20 Republican attorneys general sued to keep Title 42 in place, even as some of them fought against other Covid prevention efforts, and insisted that the pandemic was being overblown. Thus far, the administration’s efforts to change the policy have been blocked by a federal judge.

Title 42 will eventually be lifted; at that point the country will rely on Title 8, the prepandemic authority under which U.S. agents can swiftly deport or fine people caught illegally entering the United States unless they are deemed eligible to claim asylum. This is fair; a well-run system must be empowered to quickly dismiss and remove people with unfounded claims, while connecting those with genuine cases to networks of social support.

On this front, the Biden administration has not gotten the credit it deserves for an important, if underappreciated, rule change that could overhaul the system. This summer, trained asylum officers have been adjudicating some asylum claims at a handful of ICE detention facilities in Texas, relieving immigration courts. Asylum seekers who are denied can still appeal to a judge. The hope is that swift adjudications of new cases will prevent the backlog from growing and discourage false or meritless applications.

The new rule isn’t the welcome mat that many immigrants-rights activists wanted from the Biden administration after four years of President Trump. Nor is it the zero-tolerance treatment that many Republicans view as the only way to deter migrants from amassing at the border. But it is sound policy based on recommendations and extensive research by respected groups, including the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. In an age where nearly everything a president does on immigration attracts a lawsuit, it was carefully written to be as litigation-proof as possible. Combined with bipartisan efforts to increase the capacity to process noncitizens at the border in reception centers that have all the relevant departments and agencies under one roof, it could eventually transform a broken system into one that is far more efficient, modern and fair.

At a time when Americans are already at odds with one another over what we might call core values — the cultural beliefs that glue our country together — it’s reasonable to worry about whether adding newcomers to the mix will complicate the task of forging a common future. And yet this is also an issue that goes to the heart of who we are and whether we will continue to be a place where the world’s tired, poor, huddled masses can get a second chance. To be true to our identity as a pluralistic country, we need an asylum system that ensures that people who qualify for protection can get it — while minimizing the abuse of the system by those who are only trying to skip the line.

I'll add to this by restating a previous post of mine...i.e. we NEED immigration to sustain growth...there are only so many 'White Christians' being born here and GDP growth is dependent on the population's productivity, and that includes ALL strata of skills...with education, virtually any immigrant can rise to be a PhD, MD, Esq, CEO, Carpenter, Plumber, etc....but we also need others who know how to pick vegetables as well.

America will not remain "Great" without immigration...so let's all realize what the right answer is and stop the mindless political tricks that don’t serve the country's interests.

Immigrants (many illegal) hustle their asses off to fill jobs that no one else wants. It is part of our economic system. Always has been. And they provide great value. And the lion’s share of them who grow roots here are productive hardworking family-oriented law abiding people.

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The Trump administration tried a number of methods to discourage people from filing new asylum claims, including forcing some people to remain in Mexico while they applied for asylum in the United States. Nevertheless, asylum claims actually rose steeply under President Donald Trump, partly because of a surge in migration but also as a defense against his stepped-up effort to deport people.

On behalf of all those immigrants who were abused by the scumbag Republicans.

of the terms, "Refugee," or "Asylees," legal or otherwise. However, I did find the attached video of an MSNBC reporter who has apparently jumped the shark in her reporting contrary to the rest of the media led in particular by that entity of all knowing, holier than thou and home of the always sad and near weeping Judy Woodward.

She looks hot with those cheek implants, eh?
Well maybe not, just sad faced.


Link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1570887358412918785

Status' and therefore would be the subjects of the USCIS Webpage link?...assuming that's a reasonable judgement of what the term means, then you and everyone else should realize that those people are in the U.S. LEGALLY...and that's the simple fact that a surprising number of board members can't seem to understand...that was the whole intent of my post...to clear that misconception of theirs. This is a PROCESS that is ongoing and very likely to lead to their CITIZENSHIP...no need to make life difficult for them...unless you don't like people who have a darker skin color than you do.

However, after more research, it appears that DeSantis, especially, could be in legal jeopardy for violating his on state law...we'll have to see how that turns out...but again, the people being bussed and flown to "Blue" states are here legally and deserve human decency and not political opportunism...surely you can agree with me on that.

btw, the search for that USCIS webpage was very easy...can't remember the exact keywords, but it came up within a minute or two and involved "Asylum" and "Immigration"...


Link: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/15/desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-immigration-florida-00056870

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People can join in if so inclined. Or not. No biggie.

FYI - read a CNN article on this dust up, your entire argument was lifted from that article. Almost word for word. And you accused moi of no substantive thought? You charlatan!

Edit: Did a bit more perusing. Dude! Are you a CNN correspondent? The trafficking BS, the budget, 1962 reverse racism crap. Not a single original thought in that thread or sub-threads.

trafficked about are part of the process of becoming "Asylees"...i.e. are waiting for a court date that will hopefully grant them "Asylum Status", thus enabling them to continue the process toward becoming CITIZENS!...so, all along this process they are here in the U.S. LEGALLY...TA-DA!...everyone now should understand the immigrants status and not waste more time questioning it.

Again...you need to recharge the batteries in your "Sarcasm Detector"...

As for the CNN, etc. reference...No...I don't "Make Stuff Up" ;-)...I make sure board members have credible sources and not just an uninformed personal opinion, like too many others offer. If you can't comprehend what position I'm taking from my posts by now, I can not help you.

Not one original thought. Will save time in the future though. Why your your rambling posts when we can just see what CNN is erroneously reporting.

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I've been trying to convey...
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Federal law, cited in the Florida budget language, dictates those migrants who have future asylum determination proceedings are LAWFULLY PRESENT in the US until a federal judge makes a determination otherwise.
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I'm not expecting you to get hold of the Florida and Federal laws, but I'd very much welcome it...just realize that Abbott and DeSantis are unnecessarily messing with those immigrants' legal pursuit of Liberty and Happiness...please don't support such behavior.


Link: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/marthas-vineyard-migrants-florida-budget-language

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