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“Don’t vote for Republicans”! Here’s why.

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:44 am on Sep 18, 2022
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Now that primary season is over there is a simple test for voters, especially Republicans and independents: If you care about the future of America, democracy and your own rights, don’t vote for Republicans. Any of them. Even the officeholders who have stood up to Donald Trump and the newcomers who pitch themselves as reality-based and results-oriented.
I feel terrible thinking this, much less writing it. I’ve covered many Republicans whom I admired. I spent months reporting on political negotiations and how deals get made in Congress. I believe policy debates and compromises are healthy, and the Democratic-led Congress has produced solid bipartisan results this year in gun safety, infrastructure, industrial policy and other areas. 

Even so, the Republican Party is on a dark path and should not hold power anywhere until it comes back into the light. That’s especially true on Capitol Hill.
Congressional math is unforgiving. If there is just one more Republican than Democrat in the House or Senate, a power-obsessed party in thrall to election deniers and conspiracists will control committees, agendas, investigations and leadership positions.
Republican voters are key to the outcome. About 8% of them voted for Democrats in 2018, TargetSmart CEO Tom Bonier, a Democratic data and polling expert, told me in an email. If that rises to 15% this year, he added, “the GOP has no chance of taking back either the Senate or the House.”
That’s not an unrealistic goal given the percentage of Republicans who voted for abortion rights last month in Kansas (roughly 30%, Bonier said Wednesday at a New Democrat Network webinar) and the chunk of GOP voters alarmed by Trump and his "Make America Great Again" loyalists. A new poll found a quarter of Republicans agree that Trump's MAGA movement threatens democracy. 
President Joe Biden accurately summarized that threat in a recent speech: “MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.”
As national security expert Tom Nichols wrote afterward in The Atlantic, “We should be deeply troubled that Joe Biden had to give this speech at all.” And he had to. Because even now, after the Trump mob’s insurrection attempt on Jan. 6, 2021, two impeachments, years of election lies, escalating legal problems and the FBI recovery of top secret government documents from Mar-a-Lago, Trump is not a spent force.

Hours after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol on their deadly quest to block Congress from finalizing Biden’s win, 147 Republican lawmakers went ahead and objected to certified election results from Arizona, Pennsylvania or both. Over 18 months later, the party is still with Trump. Polls show roughly 70% of Republicans don’t view Biden as the legitimate winner of the 2020 election, and most Republicans want Trump as their 2024 nominee.
In fact, Maggie Haberman reports in her upcoming book, “Confidence Man,” Trump never intended to leave the White House – though he lost to Biden by more than 7 million votes. 
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Believers of Trump’s Big Lie that he was the true winner have elevated so many delusional Republicans that 60% of voters will find election deniers on their 2022 ballots, according to FiveThirtyEight. Its analysis of GOP nominees for House, Senate, governor, secretary of state and attorney general found at least 200 of 552 say the 2020 election was illegitimate. If they win, they could influence and possibly even overturn elections in 40 states.
Some of these races are out of reach for Democrats. In U.S. House contests, FiveThirtyEight found that “118 election deniers and eight election doubters have at least a 95 percent chance of winning.” 
At the same time, Real Clear Politics counts eight toss-up Senate races, 11 toss-ups for governor and 34 in the House. Concerned conservatives and moderates could make the difference in these contests – particularly if they vote Democratic no matter what kind of Republican is running.
This seems unfair to Republicans who have shown principled independence. By my count, 20 in the House made it to the fall ballot despite voting for an independent bipartisan commission to investigate the violent Capitol riot. Two of them, California's Rep. David Valadao and Washington state’s Rep. Dan Newhouse, also voted to impeach Trump for inciting the rioters.
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Valadao’s tight race could be one of the few that determine House control. Does he deserve to be reelected? Maybe. But could America survive a GOP-controlled House unscathed? Also maybe, and that’s not good enough.
The same argument holds for candidates like Senate nominee Joe O’Dea in Colorado, who says he'd be an "independent-minded" senator, and House nominee Allan Fung in Rhode Island, who says he’d work with Democrats to solve problems. That’s commendable, but voting for them could produce a Republican House or Senate.
I wouldn’t even bet on fact-based Republican governors. Some could face veto-proof legislatures dominated by MAGA fantasists. And some could fold. Look at New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu and retired Army Brig. Gen. Don Bolduc, who a month ago declared that “Trump won the election. … I'm not switchin' horses baby. This is it." Sununu called Bolduc “conspiracy theorist-type” and “not a serious candidate” for the GOP Senate nomination. But right before Tuesday's primary, Sununu said he'd endorse Bolduc if he won.  
The upshot: Bolduc won, he and Sununu shared a public hug at a post-primary GOP unity breakfast, and then – in a shocking plot twist – Bolduc went on Fox News and said he had concluded that “the election was not stolen.”
A MAGA-driven America is a grim prospect. Would future Republican candidates admitted defeat if they lost, or would they make sure, through legislation and manipulation, that they'd win? Would they cement minority rule and further restrict fundamental rights like voting and abortion? 
Biden has correctly distinguished between “mainstream Republicans” and Trump’s extreme “MAGA Republicans.” They are different, and mainstream GOP politicians holding the line deserve credit. Nevertheless, when it comes to who controls Congress and the levers of power in states across the country, all that counts right now is the “R” after their names.


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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

Replies to: “Don’t vote for Republicans”! Here’s why.


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Reads like a Ted Kaczynski manifesto.

Author: Curly1918 (16475 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:44 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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Aee you holded up in a cabin in remote Montana?

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Hit the button AHOLE

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:18 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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I guess repeated insults are ok now.

Author: NedoftheHill (44717 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:20 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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Certainly seems like he struck a nerve.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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This was triggered by my once asking if he stopped beating his wife?

Author: Curly1918 (16475 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:03 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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This was only meant as rhetorical device in response to one of his more illogical posts… but somehow it struck him very personally.

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No insult.

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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What does my post have to do with you?

Nothing!


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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Vote democrat for over 8% inflation, $5.00 gas, a recession, 401 K dropped like a rock and

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 10:50 am on Sep 18, 2022
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6 % mortgage interest rates.

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The ONLY thing that involved Biden was his $1.9T Rescue Plan that the SF Fed said was a good

Author: TyroneIrish (20580 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:41 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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decision in light of the high risk for "Deflation"...everything else has to do with COVID, Putin and the Fed interest rate hikes to attack said inflation...meanwhile...Biden put the breaks on gasoline prices...is laying the groundwork for much lower drug prices...arranged for bi-partisan support for much needed infrastructure funding...including advanced nuclear power plant development...payment to veterans for injuries suffered from "Burn Pits"...domestic sourcing of high value semiconductors...all while having an extremely low unemployment rate.

If you want "Progress"...vote Democrat...all the MAGA GOP knows how to do is say "NO" to everything...Refugees and Asylum Seekers...Non-Hetero Sexuals...Women's Personal Reproductive Rights...Non-Christians (e.g. Jews and Muslims)...Law Enforcement - when it stops them from violating our Constitutional Election Laws, or investigates their former leader for criminal possession national security documents...the list goes on...and on...

People are not going to rest until the GOP returns to a party that CARES FOR and SERVES... ALL Americans...and those legally in the process of becoming Americans.


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Bwahaha. Of course not. Nothings Joe’s fault.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 10:31 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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Are you challenging my statements?...if so, back it up.

Author: TyroneIrish (20580 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:00 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Naw... the real critical issues are gender fluidity and open borders.

Author: Curly1918 (16475 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:46 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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Your conditioning has been successful. Good job, comrade.

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:21 am on Sep 18, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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This is much more concise: Do you want more of the last two years? If not, vote R.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:01 am on Sep 18, 2022
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The greater the amount of spin and rationalization needed, the longer and more convoluted the explanation.

You just posted a tome.


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MAGA fanatics dirty little secret - they think they are

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:48 am on Sep 18, 2022
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Better than the Constitution. It’s ok to lie to win power, it’s ok to call for violence when they don’t get their way, civil war is a real option if they lose an election. There are extremists in both parties, but there is no line MAGA won’t cross to prove their right.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
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Actually, this is most concise - Trumpism

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:33 am on Sep 18, 2022
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What we’ve had in the last 2 years - a president who worked tirelessly to save Americans from the C19 disaster created by 45, restarted this great economy after 45 tanked it, signed the inflation reduction act = American infrastructure projects, stronger HCare for US vets, helped create a record number of jobs, unemployment at its lowest ever, focused on Climate Crisis …

And he did it in less than 2 yrs. There’s much more to be done but all of which no Republican has made an effort to do (in decades).

So yeah, I’ll take that instead the nothing republicans have to offer.

We less of you and more of Biden.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Your spinning more than a ballerina with an inner ear infection.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:37 am on Sep 18, 2022
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Keep dreaming, Nureyev!

Author: jimbasil (52685 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:57 am on Sep 18, 2022
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I post facts - you post jete after jete.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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