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Joe Biden's "60 Minutes" interview this evening...unscripted...forthright answers...whether

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:52 pm on Sep 18, 2022
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you like them or not...(see link)...comments welcome...

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UC89H4Swc

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Thread Level: 2

Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 9:03 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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All Republicans are scum and MAGATs are inbred morons.

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Four times is not a gaffe

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:35 am on Sep 19, 2022
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He has pledged us to come to the aid of Taiwan.

It’s gonna be hard to ever roll that back.

That’s a mistake.


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Again & again Joe didn't make mistake here, literally. The key here is Taiwan's independence.

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:15 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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We against Taiwan independence. Here some our politicians were and are hypocrite. But Joe at CBS made it very clear we don't support Taiwan independence. We only defend Taiwan militarily if China attack Taiwan without Taiwan declaring independence. We need to let China know we will get involved if that happened.

Told you before, you are dangerous. Your idea encouraged China's hawks. But perhaps in the end, I have gut feeling that U.S. will actually do what you want in the future, i.e. giving up Taiwan after a series of provocations which lead China to attack Taiwan. Basically it will be Ukraine all over again.


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Da, comrade. We against that. Da.

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Of course we against Taiwan independence. Did Joe say the opposite?

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:08 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Joe answered the host's question assuming China attack Taiwan without Taiwan declaring independence. There is nothing wrong here. You're dangerous.

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My take on this...agree that it is no "gaffe"...he's made that statement before, so it's clearly

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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intentional and it's clearly intended as a message to China signaling a shift in U.S. Policy...but WHY?...here's what catches my attention...

>Many, if not all, of us see the Russia/Ukraine conflict as a 'corollary' to the tension between China and Taiwan
>Given that authoritarian Russia has gone to war to 'get what it wants'...twice...it is reasonable to suspect that authoritarian China would do the same...note also, China's recently increased pressure on Hong Kong's democratic way of life, forcing many to emigrate out of there.
>Without the world's dominant military force (USA) getting involved there would be no way to stop China from satisfying its desire to end Taiwan's democracy
>Prior to "Crimea" and this recent military 'Operation', the world was in relative 'Order'...but now things have changed dramatically...and so must U.S. Policy...toward all authoritarian nations...China included.

The 50 year policy of trusting China to be respectful of Taiwan's democracy was working until "Things Changed"...Putin came along...Xi came along...thus the need for U.S. Policy to change with the times.


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Holy hell, we have reached the singularity.

Author: Iggle (12620 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Ellipsis dots, single quotes, and double quotes outnumber the letters.

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The dude has no concept of the proper use of punctuation.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 2:28 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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and e.e. cummings had no idea how to use upper case letters...deal with it ;-)...better yet focus on

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:54 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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the "words" and not simply punctuation.

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Both are garbage.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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There's quite a few words in that post, Iggle...try reading them.

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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You are correct...not a gaffe but a disaster which was immediately walked back by his handlers

Author: lmcdonald (1275 Posts - Joined: Sep 9, 2020)

Posted at 11:20 am on Sep 19, 2022
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China is more likely to blockage Taiwan than invade and then just wait to see what happens

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we have no coherent international strategy, and it's a bi-partisan issue.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16210 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:54 am on Sep 19, 2022
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I think we would have to respond militarily to an invasion, but I also agree that ambiguity is best.

Author: Iggle (12620 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:42 am on Sep 19, 2022
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I think it would be a strategic setback for the US to allow Taiwan to be attacked. The situation in the South China Sea would become even more fraught, and those are some of the world's busiest shipping lanes. There is also the issue of losing most of the world's chip capacity to the CCP.

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And it’s equally bad to say that Taiwan makes its own judgments about independence

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 am on Sep 19, 2022
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Our policy for fifty years has been that we oppose Taiwanese independence.

It’s a major policy shift, and it looks to be something that the President is doing alone.


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It's so hard to wok back.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 9:41 am on Sep 19, 2022
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Thread Level: 4

Biden said sum ting wong?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 9:45 am on Sep 19, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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#2 son, Hunter, wong.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 10:46 am on Sep 19, 2022
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Great interview! Only one White House walk back so far.

Author: Iggle (12620 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 7:03 am on Sep 19, 2022
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And that's without teleprompters!

Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-joe-biden-taiwan-60-minutes-2022-09-18/

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From your link...

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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this excerpt...
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After the interview, a White House official said U.S. policy on Taiwan has not changed. Officially, the U.S. maintains "strategic ambiguity" on whether American forces would defend Taiwan, but the Taiwan Relations Act obligates the U.S. to help equip Taiwan to defend itself.

That's what happened earlier this month when the State Department announced a $1.1 billion sale of military equipment to the island democracy.
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The key word there is "AMBIGUITY"...along with the "Walk Back", this administration is upping the ante on what the U.S. MIGHT DO if China takes the military approach to resolving its conundrum wrt Taiwan...should have a bit of a 'chilling effect' on their strategy for eliminating a democracy so close to home.


Thread Level: 3

Sleepy Joe angered his Chinese masters with the Taiwan talk. Their cutting his slice to 5% now.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 8:12 am on Sep 19, 2022
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Not a bad interview but the best he said was about Taiwan. He only became president

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:18 am on Sep 19, 2022
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because he ran against trump. He’s no miracle worker.

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That had a lot to do with it...but it turns out to have been a very good choice...he's dealt

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:22 am on Sep 19, 2022
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effectively with COVID...Putin...inflation (yes, Inflation...as caused by COVID and Putin)...while getting valuable legislation passed.

IMO Trump influenced hundreds of thousands of Americans to distrust their medical professionals and suffer serious consequences...including death...then passed no legislation at all to resolve any of the pressing problems facing the country...for four years...Biden is delivering in just two years.


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Fauci and the other minions discredited themselves with the flip flops on vaccines, masks, lockdowns

Author: irishsmashmouth (3294 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 9:05 am on Sep 19, 2022
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distancing. Nobody could take them seriously. They eventually walked back almost all of it. No credibility.

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No discredit whatsoever...Dr. Fauci 'Fast Tracked' Moderna's "mRNA-1273" vaccine into Phase 1 trials

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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just TWO days after the receipt of the COVID-19 genetic code from China...he used his scientific knowledge of mRNA technology to understand what Moderna's vaccine "design" entailed...knew that it was worthy of consideration...then used his position in the NIAID to clear the way at "WARP SPEED" for all the testing necessary to get approval...thus saving many, many lives...for those who were wise enough to take "The Shot".

As for Masks...at the very beginning of the pandemic there was no evidence that asymptomatic people were infected and transmitting the disease, or that the primary means of infection was 'aerosols', thus requiring masks...then we all saw runs on such things as toilet paper...many stores were 'denuded' of such items virtually overnight...given that realization...and the critical need for PPE availability to Doctors, Nurses and other Hospital staff members (if they get sick or die then NO ONE gets treated), Dr. Fauci, realizing that N95 masks were in short supply did not encourage their use, recommending instead that less effective, yet still 'mitigating' cloth and surgical masks be used...all reasonable decisions based on the goal of keeping as many people OUT of hospitals and morgues as possible.

True lockdowns are a tool for stopping 'Outbreaks' from becoming 'Epidemics' can be effective, but once a highly transmissible virus has 'broken out'...it becomes a race to make vaccines available, while mitigating its spread.a..unfortunately, some sources went overboard in their definition of "LOCKDOWN"...to the point of calling 'Mask Wearing' a lockdown...I kid you not. I'll stop here on that topic, but if you want to get into school closures or 'mandates' I'll reply.

In summary, no one takes deadly viruses more seriously than your "National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases" (NIAID) run by Dr. Anthony Fauci...you'd be a fool to trust Tucker Carlson over him when your life is on the line.


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Fauci cost lives by promoting useless masks and rejecting a proven effective treatment - HCQ+

Author: MarkHarman (7277 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:26 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Since I read all your medical links out of intellectual honesty and curiosity and you have consistently refused to read Dr. Risch's extensively researched paper for some unknown reason...what would it take for me to get you to read it? Some sort of donation to a favorite charity?

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Apparently I haven't made myself 'Perfectly Clear'...Dr. Risch's Yale superiors and peers have spent

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:53 am on Sep 20, 2022
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according to their documented letter on the issue of HCQ, many hours (all of them) trying to convince him how wrong he is to promote the drug for COVID-19...they have been in constant contact with him from the beginning to this very moment...yet he - and they - have not changed their positions...why would someone like myself waste time reviewing a paper that has been officially debunked by those who know him and the science best?...but we've been over this before...guess I'd better 'bookmark' this post.

As for Dr. Fauci, he's done a phenomenal job throughout his career...even earned the highest praise from the LGBTQ community that lambasted him in the early HIV/AIDs days...

I'll ask again...if you and your family were confronted with a serious viral infection, who would you want caring for you...Dr. Fauci?...or Tucker Carlson?


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Sigh. And Risch's "debunkers" used bad reasons in their outdated rebuttal, as Risch pointed out

Author: MarkHarman (7277 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:05 am on Sep 20, 2022
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The fact is (and I don't care what your educational or professional background is), you are like a little kid whose mind is made up, puts his ears in his fingers and starts humming loudly.

You are beyond ridiculous to not even contemplating reading the paper. Risch lays out a logical case why HCQ+ works and why the debunkers are wrong. I also asked you what, if all the credible observational trials showed it worked, the RCTs showing it didn't weren't parallel with the way it was supposed to be used, and not one RCT was conducted in parallel manner, would your logical conclusion be. Tellingly, on multiple occasions you refused to answer.

The fact is, as others have pointed out, you are close-minded and lack the ability to think critically and logically. So you resort to staying in your safe space of ignorance for comfort.


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Attached is a 'Bloomberg Law' article that shines more light on this whole HCQ thing...it seems odd

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:26 am on Sep 21, 2022
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for a proponent of having everyone get infected with COVID-19 for the purpose of achieving "Herd Immunity" (Peter Navarro), to be advocating so strongly for a drug that would be a "miracle cure'...

Looks like Mr. Navarro might get to talk some more...in court...about all this...personally, I'm betting there has been a money angle to the scheme all along...but that's just me.

Oh, and I'll beat you to the punch...I'm not reading Dr. Risch's paper ;-).


Link: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/top-trump-officials-pushed-fda-on-covid-response-report-finds

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One other reason for not wanting to read an 'Oddball's' paper...I have the good fortune to have both

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:47 am on Sep 21, 2022
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an Infectious Disease Specialist and a Pulmonary/Critical Care Physician (ICU Doc) in my extended family...they told me that "Hydroxychloroquine is totally debunked. Not helpful and literally a joke in the ID community."...I know these people well...I trust them...I don't trust Dr. Risch.

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Is that why he "retired" prior to a republican congress questioning him in January?

Author: irishsmashmouth (3294 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 3:27 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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H

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it's either that, or he's coming up on 82 years of age and has helped us get to an end to the COVID

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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pandemic...nothing wrong with retiring after an exemplary career in medicine and public service.

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Bullshit. Fauci is a Chinese hack.

Author: irishsmashmouth (3294 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 3:23 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Thread Level: 7

You're entitled to be as ill-informed as you'd like...but it's not going to help.

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:50 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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Inflation was at 7.4% before Putin went after Ukraine. Come on Tyrone be objective. I think he

Author: THEISMANCARR (17205 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:34 am on Sep 19, 2022
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is the worst president of all time. He has always been recognized as a screw up.

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You are conveniently forgetting COVID, aren't you...that was the start of our inflation problem...

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Sep 19, 2022
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have you forgotten the sudden drop in demand only to be followed very quickly with it's return, thus causing major disruption in our supply chains across industries?...ships 'stacking up' in harbors, etc.?...Biden had ZILCH to do with ANY of that....then came Putin's War...again, NOTHING to do with Biden.

Stop "Making Stuff Up"...oh, and start "Thinking".


Thread Level: 5

This ^^^^^

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:06 am on Sep 19, 2022
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he's a fraud

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:25 am on Sep 19, 2022
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