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question regarding BO's tonight show appearance

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:34 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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I have a question for the libs regarding the appearance on the tonight show. I have read the posts comparing this to FDR's fireside chats, but I really can't see how these are similar. The fireside chats were nothing more than his weekly radio address to keep the public informed and confident in his leadership. Besides publicity, I really don't see what BO is going to get out of this appearance. He is being interviewed on a talk show. I am thinking that the subject matter is going to more about moving into the white house, his blackberry and his kids. I really don't see this as a chance for him to push his political plans.

IMO, he would be better off just scheduling a TV address to the nation during prime time. Just seems to be a better option to me.

It should be noted that I believe that BO is more of a puppet to the Dem Party, specifically Polosi. But in the end, he is the one that everyone is going to look at...


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I wonder if he is afraid to go on Jon Stewart's show now?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:17 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
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"The fireside chats were nothing more than his weekly radio address"

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Number of presidents prior to FDR who had weekly radio addresses: ZERO

The Fireside Chat was a unique and purposeful invention of FDR to ease public distress during an economic crisis by using what at the time was considered non-traditional media for politicians. If Obama does talk about moving into the White House, his Blackberry and his kids, then you can bitch, but right now you're claiming A) the Fireside Chats were something less than they were and that B) the Obama appearance on Leno is something that has yet to be. I believe that's what baseball umps call an 0 and 2 count.


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Mac, I think you misunderstand..

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:15 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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FDR actually set a standard for every other president to follow, which is weekly public addresses. I am not saying that FDR didn't invent the fireside chats, I am saying that previous post were comparing the chats with the tonight show apprearence. Which I really don't see the similarity...yet. It could very well be a good political move, but that will be decided after the apprearence.

Just as Fredyo said, many other presidents have made apprearences too, but it seems that this one has been made out to be one of a political move by BO to push his agenda. I just don't think this is the right stage to do so. Personally, I hope it is more of a blackberry, moving into the white house type of chat. A prime time speech is a much better tool to push political agendas.


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WE have convictions; THEY have agendas

Author: Chris94 (27088 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:38 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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WE make decisions based upon principles; THEY make decisions based upon political calculations.

WE mean what we say; THEY never explain their real motivations.


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Most assuredly..

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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just look at Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Eric Holder, Frank Raines, John Edwards, Tim Geithner, Rod Blago, Roland Burris, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, John Murtha, and George Sorros. Gives you that tingly Chris Mathews feeling of principles.

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Damn Chris...This post was based on your earlier analysis.

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:45 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Took you long enough...

I honestly am not sure what the hell you are saying in your post, but I was hoping to get your side of things...


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Not nearly as many convictions as YOU deserve.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22626 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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1932 Fireside Chat = 2009 Podcast (not Late Night Talkshow).

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:11 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Your defense of the President's decision in this matter is embarrassing.

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Tell you one thing - if people are arguing about Leno, they aren't watching where $1 tril is going

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:05 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
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And your insistence on elevating his appearance into anything at all is high comedy.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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FDR's Fireside Chats were scheduled at 10 PM precisely to attract a maximum radio audience, plus his speechwriters purposely made sure his speeches were dumbed down lingually and laced with anecdotes to appeal to the common man. Uh, sounds like a talk show to me.

A podcast? Really? You're trying to equate an FDR radio address during the Golden Age of radio that could hypothetically reach 90% of America with a nebulous Internet promotional tool utilized by maybe--MAYBE--1% of American consumers. That analogy sucks, badly.


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Without turning this into a big argument...

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Don't most presidential speech writers do the same thing that FDR's writers did, i.e. dumb it down and add a few anecdotes? I know Bush's dumb'ed his down, but I think that was for his benefit more than the American public's. (I have no proof of this, just a hunch...)

Thread Level: 5

More people have subscribed to a podcast than have watched Leno in the last year.

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:31 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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But continue to defend your hero as he embarrasses the Presidency at every turn.

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Please debate something you have a clue about.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:13 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Not defending my hero. Just making fun of people who invent reasons to hate him.

FYI, anybody will tell you podcasts are a joke--the Internet Age's version of smoke and mirrors. They're used by young marketing execs to create the impression that they're doing something besides Twittering all day at their cubicles. Podcasts have not been shown to generate revenue, exposure or buzz in any meaningful way, and I say that as someone who is literally plugged into the online publishing world. To compare a podcast subscriber to a television viewer or radio listener is almost insanely ludicrous.


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Who gives a damn about generating revenue?

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:38 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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What on Earth are you talking about? The fact is that tens of millions of people use podcasts and subscribe to them and listen to them at their leisure. My freaking two-year old knows what a podcast is, though she may not pronounce is correctly.

The President's appearance on a late night show is kitschy and lowers the office. End of story.


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Good grief.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:17 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Forget revenue and concerntrate on the other two words for all I care: exposure and buzz. If an author wanted to sell copies of his book, which would he pick: a 30-second spot on The Tonight Show or a 30-second podcast? If a studio wanted to promote a new movie, what would it pick: a 30-second spot on The Tonight Show or a 30-second podcast?

If you think the answer is "B", you really know absolutely nothing about marketing. Podcasts are the same thing they've been for the last ten years: Internet fluff.


Thread Level: 9

The President of the United States in not selling a fucking book or promoting a movie.

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:14 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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That's your rationale? That's your defense of lowering the office? That kind of marketing concept may be appropriate for, oh, a presidential candidate. Not a president in his first hundred days dealing (not so well) with the worst economic crisis in history.

He's running away from his job and the media and the people who are finally taking notice of his incompetence to sit on a couch with his Hollywood buddies and read jokes. Hooray for America!


Thread Level: 10

In Mac's defense, he's not nearly as bright as some may have been misled into thinking.

Author: TheIrishHammer (10336 Posts - Joined: Oct 31, 2007)

Posted at 5:17 am on Mar 20, 2009
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Kitschy? You don't know the meaning of the word until you can...

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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...top this. (and don't start with, but he's not the President 'cause that's not the point)




Thread Level: 7

Criticism does not equate to hate, dummy.

Author: TheIrishHammer (10336 Posts - Joined: Oct 31, 2007)

Posted at 4:17 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Well, except in your world, that is.

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I guess I forgot the criticism of Obama is well-intentioned and comes from a place of love.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Don't be a dumbshit, again. Lady is perfectly capable of standing on her own two feet. And you're perfectly capable of acknowledging hate, even when it doesn't happen to suit your argument.

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RU attempting to privatize your area of this thread? Because it kinda sounds like you are.....

Author: TheIrishHammer (10336 Posts - Joined: Oct 31, 2007)

Posted at 4:32 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Don't get me wrong, Mac, if I were you and lost as often as you do on here I'd want me to stay out of the discussion, too.

So, getting back to your man-love and defensive posture regarding all things Bam-Bam, you continue to be under the impression that if a person doesn't like what the POTUS is doing, said person hates the POTUS. Do you understand how irrational this is?

BTW, is it true that Bams has a little plaque in the Oval Office which states, "The Suckle Starts Here?"


Thread Level: 10

Why do I need to privatize anything? This forum spends enough time already soliciting me.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:38 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Preety sure I've won as many arguments as I've lost. Either way, I can at least say I haven't hid behind an anonymous Internet persona and a sliding-scale political idealogy for the last 10 years. Anytime you're ready to stop being a pussy and have that drink, drop me a line.

Thread Level: 11

I'm reasonably certain the word is "ideology," Mr. Editor.

Author: TheIrishHammer (10336 Posts - Joined: Oct 31, 2007)

Posted at 5:19 am on Mar 20, 2009
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And Rutherford B. Hayes had the first presidential phone. Obama on Leno is not a federal case...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22626 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:10 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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it's just cheesy.

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Exactly. But then, this President gifted our strongest ally with a DVD set.

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:31 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Seems comparable to a pen holder carved from the wood of the sister ship of the HMS Resolute...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22626 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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from which came the timbers that were used to make "The Resolute Desk".

Thread Level: 6

You can find those at Wal Mart too?...

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Scary, ain't it?

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Yes, but the FDR analogy has me intrigued enough to watch...

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:28 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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who would have thought it. First Lincoln now FDR all rolled into one leader. Must see TV.

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Nixon did a bit for "Laugh-In"...was on the Jack Paar show. Clinton played sax on "Arsenio", etc., .

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 2:59 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Since when is the Oval Office so sacrosanct?

The President is a figure-head...a PR act, to begin with. The men who paid for his seat, pull the strings on the important issues.

This last 3 months have made that patently obvious.


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Oops...reading my own posts.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:27 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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... during their campaigns. They were not President. He should stop campaigning and govern.

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
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The office of the President has been diluted, over time.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:31 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Obama is a PR man with a populist image to uphold. Presidents no longer "govern".

The men that pull the strings are merely positioning him as a "Presentation Manager", if you will.

This is all a distraction to keep us harping on the insipid...meanwhile...


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I am so embarrassed to admit I loved Arsenio.

Author: Lady_Irish_27 (3454 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:07 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Was it the ET long fingers?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
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Ya' know what chicks say about men with long fingers.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Me...I am proud of my girth.

Thread Level: 6

Like I tell the ladies, it might not be long, but it's skinny

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
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Hehehe...hung like a hamster.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 4:06 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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This won't take long and you won't feel a thing!

Author: NDFaninNJ (10056 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:09 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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I'm only here because my firewall blocks Valhamma.
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Hahahahaha..."Needledick the Bug Fucker"

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 4:13 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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As opposed to hung like a tuna can.

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I would agree on pretty much all of your points

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:06 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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But weren't the apprearences of the other presidents during not so stressful times? In BO defense, it will boost his popularity if he does well on the show...

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How old were you during the Nixon admin?

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:10 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Believe me...that was some scary shit.

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To young to remember....

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Thank God!

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Dat be da fact.

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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I believe all of those appearances were prior to their attaining the office.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22626 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Who cares? What difference does it make? We are getting WAY too wound up over a non-event.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:08 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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This is a perfect example of how easily the populace can be duped and distracted.

Meanwhile, "The Fed", a privately-owned entity, dictates what you will pay and when.

I haven't heard any outrage about our lives being dictated by a private banking consortium that just so happens to have the authority to print money and devalue our financial strength as a nation.

Where is the moral outrage over that?


Thread Level: 5

I'm way more wound up over the actions of the Fed than Obama's cheesy appearance on Leno, thank you.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22626 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:12 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Just checkin'

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:19 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Ya' know...keep your friends close and all that...

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Why is this such a big issue?

Author: Domer From Hell (11565 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:38 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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The President is going on the Tonight Show. Who cares? There are bigger issues to worry about right now.

We're all born bald baby!
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God dammit DFH this is politics, there is no room for reason here!

Author: KCIrishfan (2899 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Far too reasonable of an assessment.
How many babies does Obama kill while going on Leno? Eh? Think about it.

I'm bitter LSU beat Butler.


I was pro-tron before it was cool
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Here's Barry......

Author: Frank L (45905 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:45 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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by the way he owes NBC a few favors.

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agreed. Just more of a curious question that stems from earlier posts here...

Author: ODUIRISH (433 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Do you realize what a waste of money re security detail, etc, that is?

Author: Killshot (13040 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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Isn't the security detail largely compromised of secret service?

Author: Domer From Hell (11565 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:48 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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and they're on the presidential detail anyway, so I don't see it as a waste of money. I do see this AIG bonus thing as a huge waste of money.

We're all born bald baby!
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delete

Author: Domer From Hell (11565 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:05 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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We're all born bald baby!
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JewishBankerzactly!

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 3:00 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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hehehehe. you da man

Author: Domer From Hell (11565 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:05 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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We're all born bald baby!
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Thought you'd appreciate that.

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Posted at 3:10 pm on Mar 19, 2009
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